2009 Jetta TDI P2002 Code MIL On Help

TDiTucson

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So I would like to spell out the story and get some recommendations regarding the next best step regarding a Check engine light (MIL or CEL) coming on my dash repeatedly after a G451 sensor replacement and DPF regen and MIL reset. Here is what has happened so far:
1. Encountered MIL light and scanned for code, found P047A.
2. Researched part number 076 906 051A as replacement for 03G 906 051A for 2009 CBEA Jetta TDI engine G451 Exhaust pressure sensor 2.
3. Ordered and replaced sensor G451, did G450 sensor adaptation with VCDS. This made the P047A code disappear and MIL go out.
4. Scanned for OBD codes after sensor replacement 1 day later and found pending code P2002 (no MIL light). Drove for another few hundred miles.
5. Encountered another MIL light for P2002 now as Current DTC instead of pending. Did a manual/emergency DPF regeneration while driving. Reset MIL light after DPF regeneration was complete while freeway driving for 15+ minutes.
6. Drove car for 2 days after regen and now light came back on again today with P2002 code again.
Previous OBD and Autoscan for G451 Sensor failure
Saturday,19,April,2014,22:51:12:09558
VCDS Release 12.12.2 (x64): Generic OBD2
Freeze Frame Data for address 7E8
PID02 DTC that caused freeze frame data storage: P047A
PID04 Calculated load value: 0.0 %
PID05 Engine coolant temperature: 90 °C
PID11 Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure: 92 kPa abs
PID12 Engine RPM: 0 /min
PID13 Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
PID15 Intake air temperature: 28 °C
PID16 Mass Air Flow: 237.47 g/s
PID31 Time since engine start: 377 s
Saturday,19,April,2014,22:51:39:09558
VCDS Release 12.12.2 (x64): Generic OBD2
Mode 03: Emission related fault codes
Address 7E8: 1 Fault Found:
P047A - Exhaust Pressure Sensor 2: Open Circuit
Autoscan from before sensor G451 replacement:
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Address 01: Engine (CBE) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
Part No SW: 03L 997 016 P HW: 03L 906 022 J
Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000AG 8681
Revision: --H01--- Serial number: VWX7Z0H524G02B
Coding: 0050078
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3FA3910C6E58EAE6A2D-806A
1 Fault Found:
001146 - Exhaust Pressure Sensor 2
P047A - 000 - Open Circuit - Intermittent - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 10100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 151874 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 19:00:37
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 161 /min
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Temperature: 29.7°C
Temperature: 33.3°C
Temperature: 24.0°C
Pressure: 0 mbar
Pressure: -5 mbar
Readiness: 1 1 0 0 0
Pending code just after sensor replacement
Saturday,03,May,2014,01:11:19:09558
VCDS Release 12.12.2 (x64): Generic OBD2
Mode 07: Pending emission related fault codes
Address 7E8: 1 Fault Found:
P2002 - Particulate Trap Bank 1: Efficiency Below Threshold
Autoscan from Today:
VCDS Version: Release 12.12.2 (x64)
Data version: 20140212
Wednesday,14,May,2014,22:38:58:09558
Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 47 52 56 62 65
72
VIN: 3VWCL71K69M003392 Mileage: 153310km/95262miles
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (CBE) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
Part No SW: 03L 997 016 P HW: 03L 906 022 J
Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000AG 8681
Revision: --H01--- Serial number: VWX7Z0H524G02B
Coding: 0050078
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3FA3910C6E58EAE6A2D-806A
1 Fault Found:
008194 - Particulate Trap Bank 1
P2002 - 000 - Efficiency Below Threshold - Intermittent - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 10100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 22
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 153218 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 09:12:16
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Mileage: 50 km
Pressure: 41 mbar
Pressure: 31 mbar
(no units): 0.0
Temperature: 30.6°C
Readiness: 1 1 0 0 0
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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 02E-927-770.lbl
Part No SW: 02E 300 050 D HW: 02E 927 770 AD
Component: GSG DSG 082 1402
Revision: 05108020 Serial number: 00001009061612
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 04940 001 00001
VCID: 130B6DBC3250DE86365-8046
No fault code found.
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Revision: 00H11001
Coding: 0023170
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 73CB0D3C12907E86965-8026
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 HS HW: 1K0 820 047 HS
Component: Climatic PQ35 142 1111
Revision: 00142031 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 7CD926003FCE31FEC7F-8029
No fault code found.
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
Component: Bordnetz-SG H54 2202
Revision: 00H54000 Serial number: 00000000965305
Coding: 84018E234004150007140000001400000009730B5C000100000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00066 123 12345
VCID: 71C70734688C4C96649-8024
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer 160408 021 0501
Coding: 00038805
Shop #: WSC 00066
No fault code found.
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Address 0F: Digital Radio Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 M HW: 8E0 035 593 M
Component: SDAR SIRIUS H07 0150
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ4Z7H0348769
Coding: 0000100
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 334BCD3C52103E86565-8066
2 Faults Found:
00003 - Control Module
014 - Defective - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101110
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 222
Mileage: 28774 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 17:17:51
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 3
Reset counter: 247
Mileage: 153318 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 21:35:51
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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
Component: 6A AIRBAG VW8R 034 8000
Revision: 05034000 Serial number: 003B6M05N4K8
Coding: 0013889
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 6CF916404FAEA17E57F-8039
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 F
Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0005
Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME3C104B0FH
Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME3A1556709
Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6351HSME16112709.
Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6361HSME155C5D0BK
Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME1557151E%
Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME1557196B6
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BG HW: 1K0 953 549 BG
Component: J0527 051 0101
Coding: 0012021
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 78D13A100BF61DDEA37-802D
Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 920 974 D HW: 1K0 920 974 D
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 2218
Revision: V0002000 Serial number: VWX7Z0H524G02B
Coding: 0021203
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 2F43C14CBE381A6632D-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533 Gateway H07 0052
Revision: H07 01 Serial number: 280408F2000287
Coding: ED807F071013021002
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3041C230A306059E2B7-8065
No fault code found.
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Address 1C: Position Sensing Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
Part No SW: 1K5 919 965 A HW: 1K5 919 965 A
Component: Kompass 005 0004
Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 1293324T31B304
Coding: 0000003
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3957FF14707CC4D69C9-806C
No fault code found.
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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 920 974 D HW: 1K0 920 974 D
Component: IMMO 3HL 2218
Revision: V0002000 Serial number: VWX7Z0H524G02B
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2F43C14CBE381A6632D-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 AC HW: 1K0 959 793 N
Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1519
Revision: 72009005 Serial number: 00000053188604
Coding: 0001205
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 6FC3014C7EB85A6672D-803A
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K1 909 144 M
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.070 H08 1901
Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
VCID: 354FF3245C6420B6781-8060
No fault code found.
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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
Component: KSG PQ35 RDK 052 0221
Revision: 00052000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 13900F880186083F0904058FB0880F0488DC00
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 8429DEE0C73EC93E3FF-80D1
Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder n.mounted
Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS n.mounted
Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE n.mounted
No fault code found.
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Address 47: Sound System Labels: 3C0-035-456.lbl
Part No SW: 1K6 035 456 B HW: 1K6 035 456 B
Component: 08K Audioverst. 0006
Revision: 00004000 Serial number: 00000008148014
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2B7BD55C8A2066461E5-807E
1 Fault Found:
00877 - Treble Speaker Rear Right (R16)
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 AC HW: 1K0 959 792 N
Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1519
Revision: 72009005 Serial number: 00000764388611
Coding: 0001204
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 70C102306386459E6B7-8025
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 L HW: 1K0 035 180 L
Component: Radio DE2 016 0020
Revision: 00016000 Serial number: VWZ4Z7H2209913
Coding: 0010011
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 29772F5480DC7456EC9-807C
No fault code found.
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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 Q HW: 1K0 959 795 J
Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1120
Revision: 12006001 Serial number: 00000003188188
Coding: 0001168
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3E5DEC086952E3EEA9B-806B
No fault code found.
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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CT HW: 1K0 959 433 CT
Component: RDK 0450
Revision: 00052000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0100101
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 8429DEE0C73EC93E3FF-80D1
No fault code found.
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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 Q HW: 1K0 959 794 J
Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1120
Revision: 12006001 Serial number: 00000003157914
Coding: 0001168
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3FA3910C6E58EAE6A2D-806A
No fault code found.
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Information regarding the P2002 code from Ross Tech:
VCDS 18434 P2002 008194 MIL DTC
So what I am looking for is good advice as to the next step:
1. Does anything think the DPF is really bad given the history?
2. Should I replace G450 (076 906 051A) and do the adaptation on my car again for that sensor?
3. Any other troubleshooting or recommendations?
I am just a little leary of having to replace BOTH sensors for $75+ a pop and the PITA it is to get the hose clamps off.
 

MacBuckeye

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It looks like your car has about 94K miles? Have you scanned your car to see what the oil ash volume is? Are you seeing a check engine light or are you seeing the DPF light? I think there are two sensors... one before and one after the DPF. The part #'s are very similar. There might be some re-programming using VAGCOM when you replace these sensors. I would take the car on a long highway drive 50+ miles and let the car go through a complete regen process. Does you car go into "limp mode" at all?

I'm not an expert on this, so hopefully other members will chime in.
Hope you get it fixed. I'm dealing with a different issue. These cars.. love 'em or hate 'em. :eek:
 

TDiTucson

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2009 Jetta TDI Plat Grey Loyal Ed
It looks like your car has about 94K miles? Have you scanned your car to see what the oil ash volume is?
Yes I have, here are the values from the different blocks:
Particle Filter Oil Ash Volume: 90 ml
Particle Filter Carbon Mass (spec.): 12.0
Particle Filter Carbon Mass (meas.): 0.0
Mileage since last Regeneration: 180 km

Are you seeing a check engine light or are you seeing the DPF light?
Just the CEL/MIL light, no DPF light at all. First time I saw the DPF light ever come and stay on was manually triggering a DPF regeneration the other day.

Does you car go into "limp mode" at all?
Never has gone into limp mode.

Drive cycle of the car is >80% highway miles at >60 MPH the entire duration. Drive ~45 mi to/from work everyday M-F.
 

TDiTucson

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Ordered new G450 sensor. Will install and adapt it once I get it early next week. Then do a DPF regen again and drive to see how this "fixes" the issue.
 

TDiTucson

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So I remember when I was troubleshooting the G451 (Exhaust Pressure Sensor 2) for the first trouble code there was a testing procedure to take a multimeter and test resistance at room temperature that I had followed. I decided to give that a shot and found the values on between 1-2 and 2-3 were both pretty consistently 10.2 KOhm or 10.8 KOhm which is too high for either of them. Here is the snippet I found from my manual regarding this test procedure:
Test procedure
Make sure the engine is at room temperature.
Disconnect the Exhaust Pressure Sensor (G450/G451) electrical harness connector.
Checking internal resistance
Using a multimeter, measure the resistance between the terminals 1 and 2 of the Exhaust Pressure Sensor (G450/G451).
Specified value for G450 (sensor 1): 6880 ohms (+/- 500 ohms)
Specified value for G451 (sensor 2): 69.7K ohms (+/- 1000 ohms)
Using a multimeter, measure the resistance between the terminals 2 and 3 of the Exhaust Pressure Sensor (G450/G451).
Specified value for G450 (sensor 1): 4028 ohms (+/- 300 ohms)
Specified value for G451 (sensor 2): 9720 ohms (+/- 300 ohms)
If any specified value was not obtained:
Replace the Exhaust Pressure Sensor (G450/G451). Refer to the repair information.
So since one is almost close and the other was way off, I would say its a safe bet that the sensor is bad even though it is not throwing a code for it explicitly.
 

TDiTucson

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So just to provide some final closure here, I replaced the G450 sensor when it arrived and did the adaptation procedure and a DPF regeneration. So it has been 1 week of driving and so far no codes anymore or CEL/MIL on the dash. I think it has finally been solved, thanks to everyone's advice.
 
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