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Upgrades (non TDI Engine related) The place of handling, lighting and other upgrades that do not relate to the performance or economy of the TDI engine. In other words upgrades to your TDI that don't fit into TDI Fuel Economy & TDI Engine Enhancements.Please note the Performance Disclaimer

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Old March 27th, 2002, 21:25   #46
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Originally posted by danix:
Cost - used controller/hydro unit, $100-500 depending where you buy it.
1 liter brake fluid, $10.
Having traction at last, priceless.

Difficulty - not very. If you can carefully use a wrench and know how to bleed/flush your brake fluid, it's about a 3 on a scale of 1-10, about the same as doing a brake job, but less labor.
I combined mine with a complete brake job.

In broad strokes:
- jack up car, remove 4 wheels
- (optional) R/R brakes all around
- remove airbox, MAF
- crack FL brake line to release pressure
- carefully remove brake lines (6) at hydro unit
- release 2 hydro unit mounting bolts
- install new unit, attach lines
- drain old brake fluid
- install new brake fluid
- pressure bleed entire brake system

No reprogamming of anything or rewiring was needed. To gain a defeat switch some wiring will need to be done, but I don't see the need unless you are racing or something.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">thanks dan... sounds like i need to head out to the junkyard to scrounge a hydo/controller unit [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old March 28th, 2002, 03:16   #47
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Mine is 1J0 614 217 E - So what type this is ?
(Reads on the black sticker on the side of round thing on top of the ABS-box ..)

BTW - There is other thing that I cannot find from anywhere ...
What kind of front springs are 2x pink and 1x yellow ?

It seems guite difficult to find the info ...
Thanks anyway [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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Old March 28th, 2002, 04:37   #48
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For spring codes, try http://catalog.exist.ru.

The 217 part number sounds correct - the real test is whether it says "ABS/EDL/ASR" underneath the computer.

The hydro unit itself is also slightly wider.
I will post photos of both parts before/after, I just bought a spare EDL unit.
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Old March 28th, 2002, 11:02   #49
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I didn't find those spring codes from there ...
(Therefore I asked from here in the first place ..)
It should be the stiffer 'sport' type spings (w. air conditioning) ..

The ABS should be ABS/EDL/ASR type ..

.. But I don't know for sure [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]
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Old March 28th, 2002, 18:56   #50
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Mine is 1J0 614 217 E - So what type this is ?
(Reads on the black sticker on the side of round thing on top of the ABS-box ..)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Mine is a 1J0 614 117 E which appears to be a mark 60 unit (with ABS only?) but I dunno for sure. My guess is based soley on the fact that it is mounted vertically and not horizontally. Is this correct?

I'm excited about this upgrade but I have a few more questions...

According to the doc that Michael Moore posted on the ESP the EDL is the system that uses the brakes to control wheel slip and the ASR uses the engine management system to reduce torque, so I guess my question here is the new setup does which one or both?

I was looking at the bentley to see the difficulty and was thinking of the EDL valve connections on diagram 9/3 page 97-136 (pic below, sorry for the poor quality). As mentioned before the new hydro unit has the two additional solonoid connections (N125 and N126 I assume), do we have to connect something new to these?

Again thanks in advance for any help guys [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Old March 28th, 2002, 20:24   #51
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I asked about this in a previous post. Apparently Bentley is wrong on this AGAIN [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Old March 29th, 2002, 04:46   #52
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The valves are internal to the unit. As I said, plug and play.
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Old June 21st, 2002, 18:40   #53
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Whats the part # off the ASR unit. Tring to find one in the Used or rebuilt.
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Old June 23rd, 2002, 16:35   #54
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((can now confirm the following: ASR/EDL can be retrofitted to our cars simply by swapping the hydro unit and computer from a car that has this feature. My 2001 Jetta is happily NOT chirping its tires in 1st and 2nd gears.))
By computer do you mean the black part on the bottom of the Hydro. Unit or do i need another part.
Have found a wrecked VR6 with ASR on it but want to make sure i get all parts needed.

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Old June 23rd, 2002, 16:41   #55
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I believe he replaced the hydro unit with the computer attached as one unit (computer is the black module i think)
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Old June 23rd, 2002, 19:56   #56
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That,s what i thought by was not sure. Thanks
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Old June 24th, 2002, 06:38   #57
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Jerry,

The two pieces come attached. After you remove the brake lines, there are a few more bolts that hold the unit in place.

Pretty easy to remove.

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Old June 26th, 2002, 13:34   #58
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Having the Lupo 3L with very narrow and hard tires to save fuel, and on top of that a, politely said, less than perfect "automatic" transmission, which is actually an electrically operated manual gearbox, I often find myself in desperately in need of traction as I pull off.
I know that the 100+ HP Lupo GTI comes with ASR, so based on what I have read in the thread above, I could also get ASR easily if I found a donor car? [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Old June 26th, 2002, 13:59   #59
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No, I would not assume that based upon these postings.

You should look up the parts to see if they are similar versions of the same thing.

Check harness connections and the brake line connectors too.

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Old July 5th, 2002, 18:43   #60
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Install the ASR unit this morning Part # 1j0907379r 285.00 from VW Parts including Switch.
The part # is for the computer part just tell them you want the whole unit. Talk to Eric.
Install is as easy as those who pioneered it said and works well. tire,s on gravel drive won,t spin.
1 problem with wiring up the switch. the bently shows the asr unit wire T 25/15, going to T32a/14 in the instrument cluster connecting to K155 the ASR light. well the ASR light works (blinks when stopping wheel spin) BUT does not connect to T32a/14, T15 wire on the ASR unit is there so where does it end up. the bentley shows 2 wiring diagrams 1 from Sept 98 with the T25 connector and Aug 2000 showing the T47 connector.
Has anyone found the right wiring for the T25 connector settup. I guess i am missing it somewhere.
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