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Well said.400 posts but almost none that mean anything. Drive your car. Put additive in it if you want. Wait for NHTSA.
Well said.400 posts but almost none that mean anything. Drive your car. Put additive in it if you want. Wait for NHTSA.
where is putting 5 oz of PS in your empty tank a pain?? checking the oil is pain....but i do it...filling washer fluid is a pain...still do it to my vehicles,,,,dont get it really....
And there's really no proof that adding anything will prolong our HPFP's.
I'm getting my oil changed at my local TDI Guru on Wed. (30,000 miles) and even though
not required, he's changing the fuel filter and yes we will be looking for metal.
Just hope there isn't any. [Me too]!
BTW .. I've been buying diesel from the same station and pump for
about 10 months now, which equals about 10,000 miles for me.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3184489&postcount=16 PowerService (although it was a faulty pressure regulator, not a true HPFP failure)Hmmm...not too sure about that. Every case I've seen in this forum has stated "additives: No"
That's just not true. Bosch published a graph that shows a direct correlation between fuel lubricity and pump life. At a 300-ish wear scar rating, the pump has almost an indefinite lifespan. With 520 wear scar fuel, pump life is greatly diminished. If your credentials are greater than those of Bosch engineers, I'd be interested in seeing them. http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/meeting/2003/022003bosch.pdf (Page 12) The document covers light duty Diesel fuel injection components and has not been superceded.At this time there is NO evidence that additional lubrication extends pump life by x amount of hours.
That's just not true. Bosch published a graph that shows a direct correlation between fuel lubricity and pump life. At a 300-ish wear scar rating, the pump has almost an indefinite lifespan. With 520 wear scar fuel, pump life is greatly diminished. If your credentials are greater than those of Bosch engineers, I'd be interested in seeing them. http://www.arb.ca.gov/fuels/gasoline/meeting/2003/022003bosch.pdf (Page 12)At this time there is NO evidence that additional lubrication extends pump life by x amount of hours.
Bubba doesn't add the lubricity additive at any petroleum terminal, a computerized system does. Get your facts straight.The problem is lousy U.S. fuel standards and poor quality control even at those lousy standards. Some "Bubba" at a fuel terminal could forget to add the lubricity package and Voila! You're driving around with 600 to 700 wear scar rated fuel in your tank. U.S. Diesel fuel is frankly an embarrassment.
Our U.S. fuel companies have adopted the American attitude of "mediocre and arrogant".
"Bubba" could forget to refill the lubricity tank that the computer uses at the terminal or whatever...... Human hands come into play somewhere in the chain. "Bubba" has also been known to add gasoline to underground diesel tanks at fuel stations. Just sayin'.........Bubba doesn't add the lubricity additive at any petroleum terminal, a computerized system does. Get your facts straight.
On the attitude part, state your source?
You beat me to it. Random samples obtained by Bosch included untreated high um Diesel from U.S. Diesel fuel pumps. NO LUBRICITY ADDED.Then how has Bosch gotten 650 um fuel from a pump?
Human hands made those time bombs you are driving, too. If you really are so down on the US petroleum industry, don't buy their products. It's that simple."Bubba" could forget to refill the lubricity tank that the computer uses at the terminal or whatever...... Human hands come into play somewhere in the chain. "Bubba" has also been known to add gasoline to underground diesel tanks at fuel stations. Just sayin'.........
U.S. fuel companies were pressured to adopt the "460" wear scar standard that every other civilized country has, but they got an "attitude" and "cheaped out" and went with the "520" standard despite evidence that the 520 standard is mediocre at best. (Probably to save a few bucks per tanker load of fuel).
Because we all know thats a viable option right?Human hands made those time bombs you are driving, too. If you really are so down on the US petroleum industry, don't buy their products. It's that simple.
Chevy Volt,Because we all know thats a viable option right?
volt (cant afford it)Chevy Volt,
Nissan Leaf,
Public transportation,
Bicycle,
Biodiesel,
Move to Canada or Mexico,
Work from home,
etc.
The fuel suppliers will make any spec fuel grade that ASTM asks for. Why not go after ASTM to change their spec if its not suitable for US diesel?aja8888, it's pretty clear the reason we don't have appropriate diesel is because the oil companies lobbied so effectively against it.
I have a 09 first year for the CBEA engine so I got the extend warranty to cover myself you just never what could happen on a first year model so far no problems at 23k and I don't use additive. In 2010 bough a nother one no problems at 5k.Good luckThis HPFP deal is making me hesitate on getting a Golf TDI. I was hoping to make a purchase this week. In your opinion, is the 2.5L a better option in light of these issues? I really like the Golf in general (a lot better than, say, a Corolla), but not at the expense of $10,000 repair bills.
In the U.S., where most of the fuels sold are grades of gasoline, and the chances for error in retail station delivery and operation are greater, I would run an additive for two reasons:I live in BC, Canada where we have biodiesel mandates. If I recall correctly they began on Jan 1, 2010 with a 3% mandate , growing to 4% this year and 5% next. Given this fuel standard, what are your opinions regarding the necessity of additives? I've had my 2010 Jetta TDI since last April and have always fueled with either Shell V-Power or Husky Diesel Max (no additives).
Yea. And like high speed rail, the clean diesel infrastructure investment act to upgrade refineries to bigger and cleaner diesel capacity, dedicated distribution, and Bubba-proofing, and more diesel options made in the USA for more auto makers. Carrot and stick.Petroleum is a necessary evil in our society. Petroleum companies should be heavily regulated and controlled like utility companies. They should be punished and brought back into line when they market an inferior product to retail customers like watery 520 UM diesel fuel that has even questionable 520 um quality control.