Manually add keys to IMMO3 cluster

Hello guys.
I was reading some old material about putting a FIS cluster in a 99.5 car.
In the reading I found Jetta,97 talking about manually adding a key to the immo3 clusters as adapting without a immo3 ECU will not work.

I would like to do this for my bench setup and to possibly use locked transponders again. but lets take it one step at a time.

What I have tried.
-I can say that you cannot adapt keys to a immo3 cluster without the ECU.
-I have connected my coil reader to
Green connector
pin - 2
pin - 17
-I have read the key info from a cluster it was matched to.

_______________00 01 02 03 04 05 06 01 08 09 0A 0B
offset "0000020" FD 11 81 7B E8 4B 91 D7 0A 71 07 72

(The offset seems to change in different clusters however you can tell its correct by the transponder ID)

I know that 0A 71 07 72 is the inverted transponder ID
I'm not sure what the first 7 bits are.

Simply manually adding these bits was not enough to make the key work.

I noticed that the offsets directly below the matched keys in the cluster seems to be important to the function of the immobilizer.

If someone like jetta can comment on wether I have the immo coil reader connected in the right way, or if I need to also transfer over the info below the keys in the eeprom.

Thanks guys.

I think I may have the coil reader connected wrong as with VCDS when I check the transponder status its always "1" as in it is ok to be adapted.

If I have no key in the reader "1"
If I have a locked key in the reader "1"
If I have a new key in the reader "1"

This cannot be correct, unless it has something to do with the ECU not being connected.

You have to have new transponder , used transponder can not be adopted to other cluster or ECU,
Only key what was match to same ECU or cluster can be readopted.

Key ID is not going to help you nothing if is transponder is locked( Used).

Immo 3 cluster has to have ECU connected to adopt keys, otherwise you will not be able to do this.
Means in Cluster MBV 22 second filed has to be "1" .

IMMO Coil :

Cluster :
[FONT=&quot]PIN# 2 - Immo coil pin #1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Pin# 17 - Immo coil pin #2[/FONT]

Jetta thank you for responding.
I agree with everything you posted.

I do have a new transponder. But I am trying to do something different than just adapting a new transponder.

I am trying to take the data from a cluster that has a key already adapted and working.
I want to move that data over to the new cluster and have the key work without having to re-adapt a new transponder. Mainly because I dont have a immo3 ECU connected to the cluster.

It seems that moving over just the address for the key is not enough, or my coil reader is not connected properly.

Moving the address does not let the key work.
And in Measuring block 22 second file is always "1" no matter if it has no key, new key , or a used key.
Something must be wrong.

Here is the old post I was referencing.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=3185904#post3185904

Quote from Jetta,97
"On immo3 cluster you won't be able to adopt key with out immo 3 ECU.
Other wise It has to be done manually in eeprom.Don't ask me how to do it because it is very complicate to explain by writing"

"On Immo 3 cluster you can't adopt key normal way, because cluster is not talking to ECU , You have to do manually editing in eeprom."

Just so you can see what I am trying to do here.

Thanks again

Like I said , it is very complicate to explain how to do manually.
Trust me it took me over 3 months to figure out this.
The easy way is find immo 3 car or Immo 3 ECU and adopt keys to cluster and job done.

This is for bench testing and playing with clusters.
I hate the beeping from the IMMO.

I would like to just mod the EEPROM flash it in and then to tests.

From there, adapting to the car and proper keys is no problem.

I guess I'll try the entire IMMO block.

Hello mates,
I have ECU (EDC 15vm+.m5), cluster with two plugs 32 plugs each from Audi A4 TDI year 2003. I would like to match key on bench. Can anyone help which coil I should find and how to wiring them to manage to match immo and add keys on bench?
If you need more info about about reference of unit or anything else please let me know. I find so interesting this post.
Thanks in advance