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Old June 9th, 2019, 16:14   #1
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I am Thinking of buying a Touareg. I have had a 2000 Jetta TDI that was getting 47-51 mpg. I am currently running a Hyundai Sante Fe that runs well but gets 23 mpg on the highway (tops).
Would a 6 cylinder Touareg be substantially better than the 23 I am getting now? Also what years should I be looking for and what years to avoid?
It is my understanding that the 2012 was a 8 speed tranny and older years had a 6 speed? Is that anything significant in terms of performance?


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Old June 9th, 2019, 16:43   #2
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I am Thinking of buying a Touareg. I have had a 2000 Jetta TDI that was getting 47-51 mpg. I am currently running a Hyundai Sante Fe that runs well but gets 23 mpg on the highway (tops).
Would a 6 cylinder Touareg be substantially better than the 23 I am getting now? Also what years should I be looking for and what years to avoid?
It is my understanding that the 2012 was a 8 speed tranny and older years had a 6 speed? Is that anything significant in terms of performance?


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8 speed started in 2011. I got upper 20’s but it was mostly highway miles. It’s a big vehicle and won’t do well for mpg’s in stop and go. 2011-2012 still had many issues with emissions components. I’d try for the most recent model year I could afford.
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Old June 9th, 2019, 21:12   #3
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I'm getting around 10L/100km = 23mpg. The Touareg is a 2.5tonne beast compared to the Santa Fe.
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Old June 10th, 2019, 02:34   #4
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The issue isn't mileage,it's cost to maintain. These aren't the cheapest cars,especially the older models. If things go wrong,which they do you will forget about any small mileage improvement you get. I love my Touareg,but get an extended warranty if you buy one.
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Old June 10th, 2019, 04:21   #5
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Considering purchasing a T'reg to save money is not wise. You won't.
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Old June 11th, 2019, 08:37   #6
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The issue isn't mileage,it's cost to maintain. These aren't the cheapest cars,especially the older models. If things go wrong,which they do you will forget about any small mileage improvement you get. I love my Touareg,but get an extended warranty if you buy one.
I think maintenance wise, they are cheaper to own than my previous common rail 2.0 Jetta wagon. No timing belt or trans service (mine was a DSG), no diff service. Just oil and filters.

Sure there is a ton of other things that can/will put me in the poor house eventually, but I am hoping by then I have gotten my monies worth and well into the 6 figures as far as miles go.
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Old June 11th, 2019, 08:52   #7
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I think maintenance wise, they are cheaper to own than my previous common rail 2.0 Jetta wagon. No timing belt or trans service (mine was a DSG), no diff service. Just oil and filters.

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No way, no how.

First, they most certainly DO have a transmission service. Second, the tires and brakes alone will exceed the cost of a 120k mile timing belt service, let alone the higher oil change costs, etc. Then the fact that they consume twice the fuel everywhere you go.

They commonly need a driveshaft every so often, this alone is not cheap.
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Old June 11th, 2019, 10:06   #8
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First, they most certainly DO have a transmission service. Second, the tires and brakes alone will exceed the cost of a 120k mile timing belt service, let alone the higher oil change costs, etc. Then the fact that they consume twice the fuel everywhere you go.



They commonly need a driveshaft every so often, this alone is not cheap.

I never needed brakes or rotors in the 72K I owned mine, nor was I an unusual case. Never needed a battery. On the other hand, I went through FOUR sets of tires at $1100 a pop. (I cannot stand road noise from unevenly worn tires.) The other issues I experienced were all related to the emissions system in various ways. They happened to be all covered under new car warranty and replacement warranty, but necessitated additional trips to the dealer.
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Old June 11th, 2019, 10:16   #9
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Good advice from Mythdoc and Oilhammer. My experience is the same. It is not a car to buy to save money on fuel. Its a great machine and it drives great and does use less fuel than other SUV's. My brother drove it the other day and said "wow this feels expensive". I think that if you are comparing a BMW X5d to the Touareg, then sure you can talk about reliability and potential cost savings. But the Touareg will not save money vs. a Santa Fe or a JSW. You'll take a much bigger depreciation hit as well.


Ours has been very reliable, but tires are a significant expense and it does go through them quickly.
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My point is, the T 'reg is easily, by far, the highest TCO of any Volkswagen sold here in the last 15 years, Routan excluded. The only thing that comes close would be the Phaeton. I service a LOT of Volkswagens. EVERYTHING on the T'reg is expensive. And EVERYTHING wears out faster. If you got 72k miles on brakes, great, you'd get 300k on a Jetta's brakes then. It is all relative.

And we have not yet even seen any of these V6 TDIs with any substantial use on them yet to have a really good hold on the long term costs. So I am not really even including any engine costs into this (although PM costs ARE higher, period... 4.5L of oil vs. 8 liters, for instance).

And this whole nonsense of "oh, it doesn't have a timing belt" just means that in VAG terms it has a looming catastrophic timing chain accident waiting to happen, because I am *pretty sure* no German magic exists yet to make Volkswagen understand how to make a durable long lasting OHC drive. I have dead chain-driven gassers here every day. So unless someone on the diesel side knows something that nobody on the gasser side does, I'd remain skeptical on that front. But hey, if you drive it and dump it after the odometer hits 150k, then they are probably fine. But we already have reports of start up chain rattles here and on other VAG specific forums. So the idea of comparing the long term TCO of a Touareg, ANY Touareg, with that of an Ax platform Volkswagen diesel I find quite absurd. Not saying do not buy one, just be realistic going in.
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No way, no how.
First, they most certainly DO have a transmission service. Second, the tires and brakes alone will exceed the cost of a 120k mile timing belt service, let alone the higher oil change costs, etc. Then the fact that they consume twice the fuel everywhere you go.
They commonly need a driveshaft every so often, this alone is not cheap.
Well I go off my friends who are A) a service writer/Treg owner/VW lunatic when it comes to maintenance and B) a VW mastertech that both told me they are sealed units (trans/diffs) and are zero service unless you have to crack it open for worse reasons. The timing chain and no trans service helped make my decision vs other brands (which also have their own $$$ maintenance costs). Even if it does need a trans service is it any harder than a DSG service??

Maybe I am wrong and will each that later in ownership. While it's my nicest vehicle (That VW essentially bought for me with my buyback money from my JSW) I also own a winter beater 4x4 and two motorcycles, and commute by bike as often as possible, so my VW sits at times for weeks and the miles are mostly road trip miles. As of now at 29K miles on a 2013 LUX everything is tip top. Tires are not that expensive, I already have what I am getting picked out for under $900 shipped and mounted which is only $150 more than a set cost me for my JSW. Haven't looked into brakes because I don't need them. I do my own services (oil, filters, brakes) the easy stuff.
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Good advice from Mythdoc and Oilhammer. My experience is the same. It is not a car to buy to save money on fuel. Its a great machine and it drives great and does use less fuel than other SUV's. My brother drove it the other day and said "wow this feels expensive". I think that if you are comparing a BMW X5d to the Touareg, then sure you can talk about reliability and potential cost savings. But the Touareg will not save money vs. a Santa Fe or a JSW. You'll take a much bigger depreciation hit as well.


Ours has been very reliable, but tires are a significant expense and it does go through them quickly.
I get ~25mpg and have a pop up camper to tow a few times a year. I also have a 4Runner that gets 15. Sure gas is cheaper than diesel, but I figured it and it all evens out. It tows better, rides better, has a range that is sooooo nice.

I just about bought a new(er) 4runner over the Treg, but the cost, the crappy mpg, junk interior and short range quickly turned me away. Again, hope I don't eat my words in the coming year(s)

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They parrot that "sealed unit" nonsense all the time. The facts are quite different. Aisin and ZF make the transmissions. They have a very different view.
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Now you are making me nervous.

I need to stop reading the internet and just enjoy it while it lasts
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