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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old June 4th, 2012, 10:31   #1
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Default Dead 02 TDI jetta, garage says lift pump I say impossible.

I am wondering what common things could cause my jetta to be bricked.

Symptoms prior, lots of smoke, hard start

Now, no fuel gets injected.

I am curious what all I need to go through (simple to complex)

I am hoping a sensor went or somethings plugged and I dont' have a bad injection pump.

Car only has 110k on the clock, timing belt was done about 20k ago.

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Old June 4th, 2012, 10:46   #2
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Considering your Jetta doesn't have a lift pump, I'd think you are correct.

You need to find a compotent mechanic.
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Old June 4th, 2012, 11:00   #3
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Could be they are refering to the vane transfer pump in the IP.
Not terribly likely at 110K from normal wear but stranger things have happened.
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Old June 5th, 2012, 00:54   #4
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You need to find a (competent) mechanic.
^X2^

Have you done the simple stuff like replace fuel filter yet? Pull engine cover and look for leaks around IP pump & injectors? Any air bubbles in the clear fuel line to the IP pump? Was this smoke black or white?
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:03   #5
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^X2^

Have you done the simple stuff like replace fuel filter yet? Pull engine cover and look for leaks around IP pump & injectors? Any air bubbles in the clear fuel line to the IP pump? Was this smoke black or white?
Black smoke and loss of power, intake was clean, turbo was clean.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:17   #6
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Have you inspected the TB for condition and tension??
Did this happen suddenly or did the smoke/hard starts come gradually?
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Old June 7th, 2012, 06:02   #7
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You COULD have blown off a lower turbo hose. If at speed when it happens it'll smoke HARD and then sometimes stall/flood out. But it could be a pump, seen them fail earlier. Any metallic ticking prior to the shut down? The pumps tick hard before they grenade.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 15:34   #8
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Have you inspected the TB for condition and tension??
Did this happen suddenly or did the smoke/hard starts come gradually?
It came on gradually but on the last day it was hard to keep running and went down quickly.

Are there any reliable and inexpensive tdi mechanics in the Wausau WI area? I hate having to plunk down $1k ever year.
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Are there any reliable and inexpensive tdi mechanics in the Wausau WI area? I hate having to plunk down $1k ever year.
Ummmm.....Pick one. Decide what your priority is. Also depends what you're spending your $$$ on. For example, I'll charge you $225 parts/labor for front brakes using quality parts. $165 rears. I don't have a shop to support, so take that into consideration.
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It came on gradually but on the last day it was hard to keep running and went down quickly.

Are there any reliable and inexpensive tdi mechanics in the Wausau WI area? I hate having to plunk down $1k ever year.

So, has the TB been looked at yet??
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Old June 8th, 2012, 10:22   #11
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Ummmm.....Pick one. Decide what your priority is. Also depends what you're spending your $$$ on. For example, I'll charge you $225 parts/labor for front brakes using quality parts. $165 rears. I don't have a shop to support, so take that into consideration.
Brakes are done, motor isn't.

Also my experience lately is that I get neither, they are both expensive and unreliable, the local cheapskate was the most reliable but he doesn't work on TDIs.
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There you go. My point was that $1K/year maintenance isn't horrible IF the car is fixed correctly.
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Old June 30th, 2012, 10:01   #13
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I got the thing running but it smokes like a coal train and has no power, I didn't see anything significant in the throttle body, looks to be straight through. I don't see and hoses off the turbo.

I will need to keep looking, could injectors or injection pump cause this strange behavior?
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Old June 30th, 2012, 13:10   #14
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keep a close eye on your engine oil level
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What did you do to get it running?
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