Driving bans loom in Europe for unfiltered diesels

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FRANKFURT (Reuters) -- Drivers of diesel-powered cars without particulate filters could face occasional bans in many European city centers next year under new European Union air quality rules about to take effect, officials and activists say.

The regulations seek to limit particulate matter that pollutes the air and has been linked to a series of health problems, especially in children, the elderly and sick people.

"We assume that there will be driving bans in all the big (German) cities in built-up areas and indeed several times a year depending on weather and traffic conditions," said Juergen Resch, head of the Deutsche Umwelthilfe environmentalist group.

At issue are European Union limits on particulate matter that communities have to uphold from 2005 under clean-air guidelines adopted in 1996. They also cover levels of other pollutants such as nitrous oxide, lead and carbon monoxide.

Despite the long transition period, dozens of cities seem unprepared to meet the new standards, officials say.

One study found that five times as many people die from inhaling microscopic particulate matter -- much of which comes from diesel smoke -- than die in vehicle accidents.

Material rubbed off tires, construction dust, and emissions from industry and heating also play a role.

Environmental groups are poised to help citizens file lawsuits over excessive pollution levels and say they stand excellent chances of success.

The Council of German Cities estimates that the first violations of air-quality rules should begin in late February, when weather conditions tend to trap particulate matter.

It sees driving bans as a measure of last resort and would prefer alternate steps such as detours. Driving bans are hardly enforceable when filters for diesel cars are not required as standard equipment, the association says.

German carmakers have long fought such requirements, instead volunteering to equip all new cars with such filters by 2009.



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Germany's environment ministry, led by Greens member Juergen Trittin, has blessed driving bans as an acceptable way to combat excess levels of pollution, as proven elsewhere.

Stockholm, for instance, has banned old, heavy trucks from the city center since 1996, and particulate matter levels in London sank 12 percent since the city started charging tolls for motorists to enter the central area.

Austrian cities Innsbruck and Salzburg and Italy's Merano and Bolzano are also good examples, Resch said.

"They simply block off the city. I don't get in with an unfiltered diesel," he said.

The new rules come as good news for French carmaker PSA, whose Peugeot and Citroen brands have made particle filters a big selling point in Europe, where diesels account for around 40 percent of the new car market.

Big auto parts suppliers are looking to equip new cars and play down the idea of selling retrofit filters.

"That is not our focus," said a spokeman for Bosch, Germany's biggest automotive supplier. "This would only be possible at great expense. You have to change the entire motor management."

But smaller rival HJS in southern Germany is working on a filter that drivers can install on their current diesel.

"You can't demand consumers buy a new car just to be able to get into the city," HJS development chief Reinhard Kolke said.

He said a filter that can scrub out 70 percent of particulate matter would cost more than 700 euros ($934).
 

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One study found that five times as many people die from inhaling microscopic particulate matter -- much of which comes from diesel smoke -- than die in vehicle accidents.







Yeah, maybe it's time to take heed of this type of info. A Harvard health expert made the keynote speech at a symposium a few months ago and said that Europeans are all being slowly poisoned by the carcinogenic soot they breathe. The future did not look bright according to him.

Euro4, here we come!
 

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Is this filter something that could be added easily? Or would it be heavily intagratd with the ECU?

If VW could offer some kind of affordable retrofit package, I would save up for it.

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Europeans are all being slowly poisoned by the carcinogenic soot they breathe
History repeats itself? The lead in the plumbing was key in the Roman Empire's demise.
 

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Donaldson Co. DCI is the big player in North America for these filters. They have been retrofitting them in large numbers on California trucks to keep them on the road their.
I owned this stock up until this fall. Had to sell after my daughter got in a wreck and needed a new car.

I was under the impression our TDI's catalytic converters meet this filtration standard. Actually I think this is what our “cat” is. I'm not clear on it.
If not and it were required. The particulate filter would fit in the exhaust stream in place of the muffler or cat. I don't see that happening outside of CARB states.

Web site: http://www.donaldson.com/en/exhaust/index.html
 

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Environmental groups are poised to help citizens file lawsuits over excessive pollution levels and say they stand excellent chances of success.

Who do these people think are going to pay for the lawsuits?
 

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I think they have some screwed up statistics. There is no way that diesel soot kills five times as many people as accidents. As far as I know, gassers also produce soot but the particles are much smaller. When inhaled, smaller particles stay in the lungs longer, causing more damage. Diesel soot consists primarily of larger particles that, although more visible, are more easily exhaled and settle out of the air much more quickly.
 

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Re: Driving bans loom in Europe for unfiltered die

German cities have a history of banning polluting cars. I was in Nurenburg and Berlin at the time of the fall of the wall and the East German Trabants (2 cycle cars) had to park outside of town limits. Shuttle buses were provided. Are Trabants still being produced and, if so, are they permitted in town? Maybe someone in Germany will chime in?
 

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One study found that five times as many people die from inhaling microscopic particulate matter -- much of which comes from diesel smoke -- than die in vehicle accidents.
This is probably not a credible study. Motor vehicle accidents are one of major public health problems and millions of dollars are being spent to prevent them and improve safety. If diesel soot to cause 5 times more deaths compared to motor vehicle accidents than this would be more than a major public health problem, it would be a disaster which could be easily preventable by stopping burning diesel fuel. Since no such prevention attempt (banning diesel fuel) is happening anywhere in the world, I have serious doubts on the credibility of the 'one study' mentioned in the article.
 

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well then, everyone with a Diesel should use BioDiesel
Agree. We should have a bio content to our distillate fuels. A 2 to 5 percent blend would be advantageous to all concerned within our borders.
 

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I wonder how many of those who die inhaling diesel soot smoke cigarettes. But it's not the cigarettes.
 

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I would have something in my car that looked like a filter (actual filter with a pipe running through it like on a catalytic converter thats only obstructing my exaust...)

power/economy vs enviroment? power and economy baby!
 

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Who do these people think are going to pay for the lawsuits?
Europe and Canada are much more complacent when it comes to sueing one another, unlike in the USA. In Canada. we need a more of an American approach when it comes to civil litigation.
 

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Europe and Canada are much more complacent when it comes to sueing one another, unlike in the USA. In Canada. we need a more of an American approach when it comes to civil litigation.
Perhaps we could export all our American lawyers to Canada and Europe? Then everyone will be happy.
 

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I wonder how many of those who die inhaling diesel soot smoke cigarettes. But it's not the cigarettes.
<sarcasm> Yep, I'm sure that no one smokes cigarettes in Europe. </sarcasm>
 

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This is legislative hysteria at its finest! Any hysterian worth his salt knows that active addictive cigarette smoking is a major cause of lung disease. The rest is FAR from cause/effect. I'd say get the addiction rate to American levels and or BELOW??? But as one knows it is the nicotine that we are addicted but the Medical field does not want to allow either patch or injection treatments with out a PRESCRIPTION.

Since the population in Europe is roughly the same as the USA if you can draw some boundries (so we all dont start to conclude this is an alien domination plot of the free world due to area 51 activities!??) from our yearly death toll of app 1.5 M of a population of 290 M? This is a yearly population loss of 290m/1.5m=.005 %. The number one killer is death due to heart related items.
 

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Nothing wrong with filtering diesels, I guess, but that addresses about 4% of the PM emissions based on 2001 data published by the U.S. EPA. What about the other 96%? Since Europe does have some OEM DPF diesels, I think this percentage would likely be even lower there.

Gas vehicles continue to get a free pass even though many studies (including some European studies) have shown they emit PM levels as high or even higher than equivalent diesel vehicles under many driving conditions (e.g., aggressive driving, high speeds, cold ambient temperatures). And that doesn't even address the higher levels of polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) found in gasoline PM. Why not require filters on gas cars too?

Seems like it's a case of being worried about the speck in the eye while ignoring the plank!
 

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[quote In Canada. we need a more of an American approach when it comes to civil litigation.

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Be careful what you wish for. In my local phone book the number of lawyers advertising their services is huge. The number of pages of lawyer advertisements is larger than the entire automotive section in the phone book. It does society no benefit to have so many "parasites" trying to such blood out of anyone who makes a mistake or tries to run a business.
 

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Are Trabants still being produced and, if so, are they permitted in town?
Trabbis were no longer produced after 1991. Once the Wall fell and you could buy "real" cars, there was no good reason to consider the "plastic fantastic."
 

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Environmental groups are poised to help citizens file lawsuits over excessive pollution levels and say they stand excellent chances of success.

Who do these people think are going to pay for the lawsuits?
I don't think environmental groups really care about who is going to pay for things. Their ultimate goal is basically a much more socialist form of government.
 

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well then, everyone with a Diesel should use BioDiesel
Agree. We should have a bio content to our distillate fuels. A 2 to 5 percent blend would be advantageous to all concerned within our borders.
As for diesel fuel, this is a program I would sign up for.
 

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Trabants of the last few years of production used water-cooled VW engines borrowed from the Polo. In order to claim reduced taxes, some owners have retrofitted catalytic converters into their Trabants to make them comply with Euro-1, Euro-2 emissions limits, etc., along with the reduced taxes that meeting them resulted.

A good friend of mine, who currently works at Bosch in Stuttgart, has two of them, one each for himself and his wife. They consider themselves pretty crazy Trabi nuts, and I have seen firsthand that the Trabi scene is pretty sophisticated with what people do with those cars. I have seen superchaged Trabis (using the engines from the Polo G40) and even 1.8T installations. They're amazingly adaptible cars.
 

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well then, everyone with a Diesel should use BioDiesel
Agree. We should have a bio content to our distillate fuels. A 2 to 5 percent blend would be advantageous to all concerned within our borders.
This article, BioDiesel Fuel, from the D.O.E. says that biodiesel reduces particulates by 68%.

Ah, biodiesel, so many reasons to use it!


...I've read that "no sulfur" is one big reason for the reduction. The burned sulfur droplet emissions form sites for the particles to form on. If that's true...wouldn't low sulfur petroleum also have way lower particulates?
 

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I don't think environmental groups really care about who is going to pay for things. Their ultimate goal is basically a much more socialist form of government.
Ummm. No. Their ultimate goal is a clean environment. You or I may disagree with the amount of regulation required to achieve this goal.

But one thing is quite clear from history: in a "free" market, consumers and corporations will not make appropriate choices with regard to the enviroment (or safety) in the absence of regulatory pressure.

Before you start throwing labels like socialist around, you should do yourself a favor and read Hardin's famous 1968 essay on the Tragedy of the Commons.
 

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Re: Driving bans loom in Europe for unfiltered die

well then, everyone with a Diesel should use BioDiesel
Still produces particulate. And there is some debate as to the toxicity of it.
 

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Re: Driving bans loom in Europe for unfiltered die

VW's argument has long been that NOx-reduction presents a greater engineering challenge for Diesels to meeting worldwide emissions regulations (not to diminish the already great challenges to mitigate PM emissions).

Taking an emissions strategy with a one-sided focus on either PM or NOx is not a good solution because of the compromises that are invariably involved and are often hidden to consumers. On soot-trap-equipped cars with no active NOx-reduction strategy, fuel economy usually takes a hit because of highly retarded timing and very high EGR rates to minimize NOx; plus added exhaust backpressure imposed by the trap; and additional fuel injected (either via post-injection or directly upstream of the trap) periodically to regenerate the trap.

Conversely, a NOx-only focus with less regard on PM have (current) disadvantages such as extreme fuel sensitivity (near sulphur-free requirement); catalyst aging, moderate catalytic conversion efficiency (in fuel-based-reductant SCR catalysts); and the need to keep the reductant additive topped-up for urea-based SCR catalysts.

Unfortunately, the future will only result in more and more emission controls in cars as we look forward to Euro-V and Euro-VI regs, as well as when the full implementation of U.S. Tier-2 limits come into force in all U.S. states and as Canada mulls following the U.S./California standards (auto makers must maintain a Bin-5 fleet average by 2007 and many are working to comply with even more stringent Bin levels).
 

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I don't think environmental groups really care about who is going to pay for things. Their ultimate goal is basically a much more socialist form of government.
Ummm. No. Their ultimate goal is a clean environment. You or I may disagree with the amount of regulation required to achieve this goal.
Instead of applying punitive measures such as regulation why don't the "environmentalists" provide real incentives to arrive at everyday workable solutions? If particulate trapping devices are considered viable let's pursue economic, effective solutions so that all applicable vehicles could be retrofitted without breaking the financial backs of their owners. Maybe even offer tax breaks, or other incentives, for those who use them.

What about promoting the benefits of bio-diesel and encouraging increased production and use?

I have to ask, is there any level of regulation that is considered excessive in your world? A clean environment is an admirable and probably widely accepted goal. The real rub is how we get there.

But one thing is quite clear from history: in a "free" market, consumers and corporations will not make appropriate choices with regard to the enviroment (or safety) in the absence of regulatory pressure.
You're kidding right? The underlying theory of your comment is that people (either individually or collectively) cannot be relied upon to determine what is in their best interest. Sorta arrogant. By the way, most if not all dictators share your belief.

Before you start throwing labels like socialist around, you should do yourself a favor and read Hardin's famous 1968 essay on the Tragedy of the Commons.
No thanks, my side still hurts from laughing at the Union of Concerned Scientist's last "vision".
 

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But one thing is quite clear from history: in a "free" market, consumers and corporations will not make appropriate choices with regard to the enviroment (or safety) in the absence of regulatory pressure.
You're kidding right? The underlying theory of your comment is that people (either individually or collectively) cannot be relied upon to determine what is in their best interest. Sorta arrogant. By the way, most if not all dictators share your belief.
Unfortunately it doesn't take much effort to see that the original statement is actually quite true in many (not all) cases; just review the recent news on the anniversary of the Union Carbide disaster in Bhopal, India and the oil spill off the Canadian Atlantic coast. More importantly, evaluate the investigative reports on why and how those events happened. Hint: Negligence on the part of the companies, by trying to cut corners to save money.

Re-quoted:
The underlying theory of your comment is that people (either individually or collectively) cannot be relied upon to determine what is in their best interest. Sorta arrogant. By the way, most if not all dictators share your belief.

IMO: To re-phrase, people (either individually or collectively) cannot indeed be relied upon to determine what is {outside of their} best {immediate economic} interest, and of the {interest of their immediate welfare }.

That assertion is not only shared by dictators (and socialists, etc.). Look at the policies -- nay, to go further, the actions that are plain for all to see -- of the most capitalistic of free-market companies... One example: Do you think it is in anyone's best interest but a few corporate stakeholders' -- who would gain an awful lot of money -- to drill for a relatively measly amount of known oil reserves in the ANWR?
 
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