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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old February 24th, 2020, 05:37   #166
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I wonder if they dropped the price because it can't technically be sold as a CPO any longer. According to the CPO report that I received with my car, one of the prerequisites for CPO status is "Vehicle is no older than current or 6 previous model years". Since we're in the 2020 model year, this would eliminate anything previous to MY2014 as being able to be sold as a CPO. The dealers are still trying to sell 2013's (and apparently 2012's) as CPO, but I would thinbk you could negotiate a much better deal since they can't technically be sold as such.
I bought my 12 Golf TDI in December 2019 as CPO so I would say that won't matter.
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Old February 25th, 2020, 08:20   #167
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$14.9k for a 2014 Passat TDI SEL with 16.5K miles CPO plus the nice 10yr/120k extended warranty.
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Old February 27th, 2020, 16:17   #168
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I've posted before about buying 2014 sport wagon from NW dealer so we would get CPO and extended warranty. All independents didn't offer the 10/120 warranty. $15K, 19k miles, black/beige with pano sunroof.

I took the wagon in for first oil change since purchase to a closer NW dealer. (I know was just plan lazy and had dealer change vs. myself...)

new dealer Service manager said the car was NOT registered as CPO! We have the extended warranty 10/120, but now I question that all required VW checklist, plus what we asked for (all fluids changed, Including trans, brakes, engine; also battery, some body work, new tires etc.)
Also, new dealership's Service manager said I should call original dealership to have registered CPO.
The only reason went to original dealership was to make sure we got the 10/120 and CPO on the car. Non CPO and 10/120 warranty not able to get from non dealers...and these cars are $1-2k less, at least, in most cases I have found.

I hope dealer won't pushback on registering CPO. Reason is that was told that dealers usually have to spend 400-600$ to have cert by VWoA to be CPO qualified. Noted that car had some cosmetics that should have been done to qualify and brakes are worn to what would be expected from car with 30K. Not the 9K we have put on it...so did they put new brakes on the car as agreed? Plus all the other requested items?

*Point is, you need to really push and understand what you want from dealer if purchasing.
*Any Experience / ideas when I contact dealer to make sure they register car and issues that they may need to correct?
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Old February 27th, 2020, 18:49   #169
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The 10 year/120k mile emissions warranty is mandated the the court and has nothing to do with being provided by VW by choice or selling party. As long as the free emissions updates are done, the warranty is in effect. VW cannot get out from that. Regardless of the selling party this warranty will remain in effect. The CPO is another story and is provided by VW dealers. I would question and get approved from your selling VW dealer on this right away. I don't think cosmetics and such are required to be done to be CPO qualified, at least not the ones I have looked at and asked the VW dealer about.
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Old June 30th, 2020, 10:17   #170
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Mine was a 2015 Golf S 6MT for 11.5k with 55k miles (non-CPO) in the PNW back in Jan '20. Been loving it!

Question though - I only have the brown sticker, which suggest phase 2a complete. However, when I brought this up to the dealership they said all emission work was complete. The VW lookup site also says partial...

I assume that when I get to 65k I would be eligible for the phase 2b as I have a 6MT?
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Old July 12th, 2020, 06:27   #171
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Hey guys,

I have a hard time understanding what the 2-year "limited" CPO warranty covers say for a 2014 Passat TDI with 24,860 miles.....the dealer also offers a third party extended warranty by JB&A for 5 more years or 94,860 miles with same CPO coverage for $2,740 which seems really high. Help!
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Old July 12th, 2020, 08:40   #172
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Help,
I am questioning the CPO warranty eligibility for a 2014 Passat TDI SEL with 24,860 miles I am considering. The Volkswagen WorldAuto Pre-Owned Program Overview says this: To qualify for the Volkswagen WorldAuto Certified Pre-Owned Vehicle Program, a vehicle must be no more than five model years old and have fewer than 75,000 miles on the odometer. So the 2014 the dealer says is a CPO vehicle is not eligible other than for the 112 point inspection, Carfax report, and roadside assistance correct? See this:

https://www.usedcars.com/certified-p...fo/volkswagen/

The real CPO Waranty looks good and it can be extended for 100,000 miles. You can also email me offline at: timestar@nc.rr.com

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Old July 12th, 2020, 14:52   #173
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Hey guys,

I have a hard time understanding what the 2-year "limited" CPO warranty covers say for a 2014 Passat TDI with 24,860 miles.....the dealer also offers a third party extended warranty by JB&A for 5 more years or 94,860 miles with same CPO coverage for $2,740 which seems really high. Help!
We have a CPO Mk7 GSW. Honestly, I didn't pay too much attention to the CPO warranty b/c the emissions warranty is so robust. From memory, the CPO was 24mos/12k miles, and an extension of the initial bumper to bumper coverage, which obviously excludes fluids and consumables. There is a $50 fee which is per-item, meaning you pay that fee only once for each area that needs service, but pay again for a different item. That fee is negated if the item needing service is covered by the emissions warranty (but for many dealers, you agree to pay the fee in advance, and then wait for the dealer to decide if it will be refunded). Seems like a no-brainer for emissions work, but I can say from experience the dealer, when confronted with a DPF issue, refused to guarantee ahead of time that the fee would be waived (it was).

IMO, most extended warranties are not worth the price, and for TDIs covered by the emissions warranty, they rarely make sense. The emissions warranty is pretty amazing.

If you don't have a copy of the VW settlement emissions warranty book, you can get one fairly easily; same for the CPO warranty.
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Old July 12th, 2020, 15:06   #174
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Help,
I am questioning the CPO warranty eligibility for a 2014 Passat TDI SEL with 24,860 miles I am considering. The Volkswagen WorldAuto Pre-Owned Program Overview says this: To qualify for the Volkswagen WorldAuto Certified Pre-Owned Vehicle Program, a vehicle must be no more than five model years old and have fewer than 75,000 miles on the odometer. So the 2014 the dealer says is a CPO vehicle is not eligible other than for the 112 point inspection, Carfax report, and roadside assistance correct? See this:

https://www.usedcars.com/certified-p...fo/volkswagen/

The real CPO Waranty looks good and it can be extended for 100,000 miles. You can also email me offline at: timestar@nc.rr.com

If I understand it correctly, the year and mileage requirements for a CPO vehicle are the minimum requirements- they do not mean that any VW meeting those parameters will be offered as a CPO. When we were looking at Mk7's, there were lots of cars at 3 years old, less than 24k miles that weren't CPO, either because they were too worn in a multitude of other ways to be sold as CPO, or because dealers were too lazy to offer make the effort involved in doing the work usually associated with CPO vehicles. Other times it doesn't make financial sense- a dealer doing things the right way might spend $2k to bring a car "up to" CPO standards, but would have made more money offering it as used, non-CPO. I use "up to" in quotes because, as has been said before in other threads, CPO for VW seems to vary wildly from dealer to dealer. They may all lay claim to 112 point inspection (each wheel bolt is a separate point), but some CPO cars have had almost nothing done, others have a full round of maintenance, fluids, and filters.

Bottom lines, IMO: (1) The emissions warranty is far more valuable than the CPO warranty, and is useful in a better time-frame, when you car is more likely to need work; (2) CPO cars vary greatly, and the condition of the car and service history trumps the warranty; (3) If your plan is to buy a TDI and rely on the dealer for non-catastrophic emissions service, it might not blossom into the best of relationships.
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