timing belt instalation

jokila

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It's not that I'm not willing to follow detailed procedure, but the way my brain works, I also need to understand why I'm doing things, and I like to be able to think of new ways of doing things if needed.
Then stop asking about alternative procedures. That's not understanding why, that's just looking for another way around the steps from someone who not yet has done the work.

As I stated in one of my posts, base your questions on the document so we can help you better understand it. Instead, you have gone off the road and into the field of wishful thinking and alternative endings.
 
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iuvalclejan

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Then stop asking about alternative procedures. That's not understanding why, that's just looking for another way around the steps from someone who not yet has done the work.

As I stated in one of my posts, base your questions on the document so we can help you better understand it. Instead, you have gone off the road and into the field of wishful thinking and alternative endings.
You may have your way of understanding why, and I have my way, which involves thinking about alternative procedures, and there's other motivations, like the joy of innovation and trying to save money. But I see that some people are offended by that, so sorry to offend.

Is OilHammer in Columbia? How do I get in touch with him?
 
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I read that from part 2 and promptly forgot it since like I said, details don't mean much until I get the big picture. As far as part 3, you're right, I haven't read it yet since it costs money. I will only read it if I end up doing the job.

But if it's not keyed in, then why does part 2 say to remove it )or just to loosen it, can't remember) at one point? That makes no sense to me. How do you then get it back into just the right position? Maybe it doesn't matter as long as the shaft stays put. I have to think about that.
Registration on MyTurboDiesel is free. It costs nothing.

...details don't mean much...
This timing belt procedure is all about details - they are important and engine damage occurs if you ignore them.

Advice - get someone experienced to do it for you. OilHammer's shop is called Cardoc automotive.

https://cardocautomotive.com/automotive-resources/our-vw-specialist/

https://www.google.com/maps/dir//Ca...e6e424c46079663c!2m2!1d-90.431814!2d38.701446
 

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There's a good how-to on this site (with the exceptions I noted above) and you're already registered.

Also, never hurts to read more than one procedure when you're learning.
 

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You may have your way of understanding why, and I have my way, which involves thinking about alternative procedures, and there's other motivations, like the joy of innovation and trying to save money. But I see that some people are offended by that, so sorry to offend.

Is OilHammer in Columbia? How do I get in touch with him?
No one should be offended, it's sound advice to use a proper kit when doing this the first time. Innovation and thrift are always in play.
 

jokila

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You may have your way of understanding why, and I have my way, which involves thinking about alternative procedures, and there's other motivations, like the joy of innovation and trying to save money. But I see that some people are offended by that, so sorry to offend.

Is OilHammer in Columbia? How do I get in touch with him?
Your motivations come at an expense of others' benevolence of responding with information.

It's not offense taken more than you are trying to reinvent the wheel so to speak on something you still don't understand and want everyone to spend the time to discuss the merits of your "creativity". No one is getting the a feeling you actually understand the tried and true procedure so the effort is to corral your cerebral diversions. Your goal of debating the proper way to do it isn't fruitful.

The only real importance in the procedure is setting the static timing on the crank, cam, and pump. How you get to that point of the process is up to you. How you button up the engine after the timing is set is up to you. Take your shortcuts anywhere else, but not the single important part of the process.

People want you to succeed actually, that's why they have hung in to help you. I get the feeling concentration of reading the document is not your thing, but that's on you.
 

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You may have your way of understanding why, and I have my way, which involves thinking about alternative procedures, and there's other motivations, like the joy of innovation and trying to save money. But I see that some people are offended by that, so sorry to offend.

Is OilHammer in Columbia? How do I get in touch with him?
There is nothing wrong with inventing a better/cheaper mousetrap but....you have not yet bothered to even understand how the mousetrap works.

How can you hope to improve on a tried and true method of doing tdi timing belts if you won't bother to understand the basic procedure.

Don't forget many of us have been inventing and sharing better ways of working on these cars on this site for a long time.....if anyone comes up with a better/cheaper way of doing things it isn't long before it's discussed, tried and implemented around here.
 

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(Final) suggestion FWIW:

Because the stakes are so high... as in, engine damage if it's done even a bit wrong....perhaps consider first doing the job the "tried-and-true" way that will ensure success, as this will help you learn the big picture by working thru the smaller pictures.

Then: once you've been thru the job the long way you've got the knowledge and experience to see if you can improve or innovate.

Doing the job once the tried-and-true way will answer the vast majority of your "why is it this way?" questions above, much better than anyone can explain to you over the interwebs.

Trying to innovate and improvise is really tough and risky when you've not been thru it at least once. :):)
 
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You should go hook up with my cousin Philip over in Memphis. I don't know if he's got the TDI tools but he does have a passel of IDI VW diesels. You guys could be buddies. Knowing that area, you probably already are :)
 

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You should go hook up with my cousin Philip over in Memphis. I don't know if he's got the TDI tools but he does have a passel of IDI VW diesels. You guys could be buddies. Knowing that area, you probably already are :)
HAHA You might be a redneck if......

Looking at the OP's comments it's obvious that he knows what chains to yank.

I think he's having way to much fun at you guys expense ;).
 

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HAHA You might be a redneck if......

Looking at the OP's comments it's obvious that he knows what chains to yank.

I think he's having way to much fun at you guys expense ;).
Two things to consider:

1) Other folks will be along to read this thread, in which case it's important to inject facts so that serious folks don't get messed up;

2) There are a LOT more of us that a single, perhaps, troll; consider it doing the larger community a favor by keeping trolls locked up in a single thread.
 

iuvalclejan

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Registration on MyTurboDiesel is free. It costs nothing.



This timing belt procedure is all about details - they are important and engine damage occurs if you ignore them.

Advice - get someone experienced to do it for you. OilHammer's shop is called Cardoc automotive.

https://cardocautomotive.com/automotive-resources/our-vw-specialist/

https://www.google.com/maps/dir//Ca...e6e424c46079663c!2m2!1d-90.431814!2d38.701446
The third part is for premium members only:
"The detailed pictorial and step by step installation procedure is for premium members only so please sign up and upgrade your account here: http://www.myturbodiesel.com/account/upgrades Thank you for your support!"
Anyway, I might pay for this if I end up doing it myself.
 

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The third part is for premium members only:
"The detailed pictorial and step by step installation procedure is for premium members only so please sign up and upgrade your account here: http://www.myturbodiesel.com/account/upgrades Thank you for your support!"
Anyway, I might pay for this if I end up doing it myself.
So, it's changed?

I contributed $$ to the site but only because I felt it had provided me with valuable information, not that it was required. Alternately one could shell out $100 for the Bentley manuals: price is not optional!

There are MANY sets of instructions on the Internet.

After all this point you have not managed to gain any confidence that you can do this job, in which case I would suggest that you do NOT attempt to do it. Paying someone else to do it will, for certain, be a LOT cheaper (than if you "attempt" to do it- resulting in a sure FAIL).

Unable to get off the starting line. I'm done with this thread, Put a fork in it!
 

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Interesting. Now it's $10. Didn't know it had changed.

Given the damage you are contemplating by doing the procedure incorrectly, $10 is cheap.

However, if you are willing to pay attention to the "details", this guide is also excellent (and free): http://pics3.tdiclub.com/articles/pdf/a4timingbelt.pdf

See also oldpoopies timing belt checklist. I'll let you google that one.
 

jokila

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So, it's changed?

I contributed $$ to the site but only because I felt it had provided me with valuable information, not that it was required. Alternately one could shell out $100 for the Bentley manuals: price is not optional!

There are MANY sets of instructions on the Internet.

After all this point you have not managed to gain any confidence that you can do this job, in which case I would suggest that you do NOT attempt to do it. Paying someone else to do it will, for certain, be a LOT cheaper (than if you "attempt" to do it- resulting in a sure FAIL).

Unable to get off the starting line. I'm done with this thread, Put a fork in it!
:D

I have always found the Bentley manual a poor tutorial. It's great as a reference for many things, but not to teach you. If OP can't handle the details of a few web pages or multi-page PDF, there is no chance he's going to be able to deal with the Bentley.

I can get to the 3rd section with my login. I don't recall if I paid or donated money in the past. I will say, all the guides are very, very helpful. It's worth the price of admittance.
 

iuvalclejan

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The OP was worried about the price of a gasket. $10 might be over his head.
No, I'll pay $10--I didn't see where it said it costs $10. As far as the VC gasket, someone said I could use RTV, no need to replace the gasket. Also, can someone please tell me who rents the tools (Sorry if you already told me). I tried metalnerd and they don't rent.

I'll follow the procedure if I do it myself, with a friend to read it step by step, though I don't totally understand why certain steps are necessary, but maybe i will once I do it. For example, does the cam sprocket have to come off? Isn't it enough to loosen the tension on the belt?

Thanks again guys, I know I tried your patience, and you have been troopers to put up with me.
 

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:D

I can get to the 3rd section with my login. I don't recall if I paid or donated money in the past. I will say, all the guides are very, very helpful. It's worth the price of admittance.
Like many people you were Grand Fathered in before Chitty implemented the premium content thing.
 

jokila

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No, I'll pay $10--I didn't see where it said it costs $10. As far as the VC gasket, someone said I could use RTV, no need to replace the gasket. Also, can someone please tell me who rents the tools (Sorry if you already told me). I tried metalnerd and they don't rent.
I'll follow the procedure if I do it myself, with a friend to read it step by step, though I don't totally understand why certain steps are necessary, but maybe i will once I do it. For example, does the cam sprocket have to come off? Isn't it enough to loosen the tension on the belt?
Thanks again guys, I know I tried your patience, and you have been troopers to put up with me.


What do pages 75 - 80 say? The link was provided for you in post #75. It's a free PDF which I think is very good.

Print it out. Read it. Over and over. This is the one time in your life that you don't "too long, didn't read" it.

When the tensioner is tightened it will cause the pulleys to move. When they are allowed to move during that process the tension is evenly applied on the belt. If you don't allow them to move, the camshaft will either rotate if the index tool is not still in place or it will cause too much tension on one side of the belt and not enough on the other side.
 

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Hey man. I know these directions are a lot. Just go ahead and eyeball it.

I did it once and it worked. I marked everything with white paint marker before loosening.

Oh, and wash any oil off with ether so the accuracy of the paint marks isn't compromised.



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jokila

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Hey man. I know these directions are a lot. Just go ahead and eyeball it.

I did it once and it worked. I marked everything with white paint marker before loosening.

Oh, and wash any oil off with ether so the accuracy of the paint marks isn't compromised.



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You are supposed to pray after marking.
 

BobnOH

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....................... though I don't totally understand why certain steps are necessary, but maybe i will once I do it.................
You will, for sure. Please read thru the instruction multiple times before you start, really helps.
Guy in Florida rents tools (FixMyVW (aarodriguez)?)
I would ask Oilhammer (St. Louis) or Franko6 (Kansas City) where you might rent tools.
 

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Hey man. I know these directions are a lot. Just go ahead and eyeball it.

I did it once and it worked. I marked everything with white paint marker before loosening.

Oh, and wash any oil off with ether so the accuracy of the paint marks isn't compromised.

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Sounds like you were sniffing the ether instead of working and thought you were doing a timing belt. After all this time of trying to get the OP to do it right, you have to come and spout this. But I have seen your other posts so that explains it.
 

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No, I'll pay $10--I didn't see where it said it costs $10. As far as the VC gasket, someone said I could use RTV, no need to replace the gasket. Also, can someone please tell me who rents the tools (Sorry if you already told me). I tried metalnerd and they don't rent.
I'll follow the procedure if I do it myself, with a friend to read it step by step, though I don't totally understand why certain steps are necessary, but maybe i will once I do it. For example, does the cam sprocket have to come off? Isn't it enough to loosen the tension on the belt?
Thanks again guys, I know I tried your patience, and you have been troopers to put up with me.
Post #60, first paragraph tells about removing the cam sprocket. When installing the belt, it's wrapped around everything else then you slip the sprocket inside the loop and tilt the sprocket and slide it on the nose of the cam. Easy peasy. If you have the sprocket loosely on the nose of the cam it is a struggle to get the belt on the sprocket.
 

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Loving this Thread....

In defense of Jason_ ............. Mark and Pray, is a term I'd never heard of until joining the club about 15 years ago! I guess that was what I did with the old IDI engines for years as I never had all of the appropriate tools ... never lost an engine!:)

Funny, I'd venture to say, regardless of the tools and methods used, I feel certain there's a few who say a quick short prayer right before turning the Ignition to Start after doing a TB job.. :D

And, BTW, anyone with "experienced" knowledge of an ALH engine should be able to change the TB via the M&P method, however, the IP pin or appropriate size drill bit would be a significantly important tool.
 

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Does, "Well. Here goes" count as a prayer? Its what I usually say before turning the key after a TB change.
 

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jason_

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Ha.

My marker comment was straight up sarcasm. Not real advice.

After 60+ posts the OP isn't budging.

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