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Old December 9th, 2015, 21:14   #1
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Default Non 505.1 oil on pd (bew)

Hi,

I want to know if someone on the forum had good results with the Chevron Delo 400 LE Synthetic 5W-40 and Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 0W-40 on pd (bew) engine for about 8-16k km (5-10k miles) oci.

I live in the north coast were temp reach -40 sometimes and far from the stealer but close to a truck garage who have these oils on shelf.

If the answer is yes, I'll do an UOA from Blackstone or if there is cheaper UOA in Canada (Quebec) it could be great to know.

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Old December 13th, 2015, 15:59   #2
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Non 505 oil will accelerate the wear on an already weak cam, don't risk it.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 17:53   #3
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Quite a few people are now using non 505.01 oils in there PD's with good results, Mobil Delvac and Shell Rotella being the most common.
For reference this is what the VW recomended oil did to my followers:-
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Old December 13th, 2015, 18:07   #4
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FWIW all oils are non-505.1 as there are no 505.1 oils. 505.01 is what you need.

Among the 505.01 rated oils available, the xW-40 505.01 oils have shown to provide better protection than xW-30 505.01 oils. Make sure that whatever 505.01 spec oil used is a 5W-40 oil.

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Old December 15th, 2015, 09:27   #5
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Non 505 oil will accelerate the wear on an already weak cam, don't risk it.
This is an old myth. Some make it forever on 505 oils and some don't see 100K before cam wear needs addressing.

Many have been using Mobil TDT or Mobil Delvac and Rotella T6(what I use) with no harm done at all. Just be sure it's a 5w-40 synthetic for diesels
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Old December 15th, 2015, 09:50   #6
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Just be sure it's a 5w-40 synthetic for diesels
IMHO this is the key for PD owners, and what I follow with our V10. The first owner fed it 5w40 505.01 oil, and I use Mobil 1 TDT 5w40.

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Old December 19th, 2015, 13:51   #7
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Nobody use Chevron Delo 400 5w40?
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Old December 19th, 2015, 14:47   #8
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If the Delo 400 5w40 is a Synthetic Diesel rated oil, it will probably be OK, but as you said - not as much usage as the more popular Rotella T6 or Mobil 1 TDT .
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Old December 19th, 2015, 17:29   #9
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Delo 400 5w40 oil is a very good oil. I personally wouldn't use any non 505.01 spec oil in a PD engine, but if you are going to use one the Chevron oil is every bit as good as Rotella T6
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And like T6 its only a few rungs lower on the ladder than Mobil Delvac 1.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 20:37   #11
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Bought a 5l of Shell Rotella T6 on sale at canadian tire for 40$CAD... Will try Delo 400 next time, I think I have it for 32-36CAD$.

Also, I can't find Mobil 1 in 5W-40 only found Mobil 1 Delvac esp 0W-40 for 47$CAD.

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Old December 20th, 2015, 05:57   #12
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By the way, I've found some interesting numbers on 540ratblog :

https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/201...-test-ranking/

105. 5W40 MOBIL 1 TURBO DIESEL TRUCK synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4 and ACEA E7 = 74,312 psi
zinc = 1211 ppm
phos = 1168 ppm
moly = 2 ppm

125. 5W40 CHEVRON DELO 400LE Diesel Oil synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, SL, SM = 69,631 psi
zinc = TBD
phos = TBD
moly = TBD

134. 5W40 SHELL ROTELLA T6 Diesel Oil, synthetic, API CJ-4, CI-4 Plus, CI-4, CH-4, SM, SL = 67,804 psi
zinc = TBD
phos = TBD
moly = TBD
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Old December 20th, 2015, 06:04   #13
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We never did find out what the 01 specification was. All 5W40 oils are synthetic and most likely will work on the PD engine.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 15:41   #14
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134. 5W40 Liqui Moly Leichtlauf High Tech Oil, synthetic = 69,580 psi
zinc = TBD
phos = TBD
moly = TBD
This oil is made in Germany and is available in the U. S. It comes in 1 Liter bottles which is slightly more than a quart.

( Rank number change each time he add an oil test but look at the psi numbers... It's almost the same as chevron delo 400. )
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505.01 exists to provide more protection of the PD camshaft (but not enough it seems - remember there are conventional oils that meet the older 505.00 standard which has existed since at least the early 90s) and to reduce emissions / catalyst poisoning.

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