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Old January 12th, 2018, 11:27   #556
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I'm also looking at the 328d. Not too sure about the interior size though. Weird to say since I feel just fine in my Golf. I'm 6' 1" and for the few minutes I sat in a 328d it felt too small to me. I had just come from the 5 series and my big ass truck though, so maybe it was just perception.
I hear ya - I couldn't find a good driving position in the e90 3-series where my hair (what's left of it) wasn't brushing the headliner. However, the F30 car seemed to have a bit more headroom and would have worked for me if I hadn't been seduced by a 535d first.
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Old January 12th, 2018, 14:41   #557
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I went and drove the two cars today -- (2014) 535d and (2014) 328d. These are both off lease cars.

Both had pros and cons that are probably obvious to most.

535D
-- More spacious, more relaxed driving
-- Felt heavy, but also planted
-- More powerful, power on tap without big gear change
-- A few 5 series exclusive options like power adjust steering wheel
-- Has some obvious used car wear and tear

328d
-- More sporty, likely more fun to drive
-- Cockpit, everything felt more in reach and right place
-- Nicer condition, like new
-- More powerful than my Golf TDI, but with gearing/ratio felt slow to rev, could be perception
-- M Sport package, which I prefer
-- Better gas mileage than the 535d or my TDI
-- Passenger seat looks like it won't be comfortable due to floor board arrangement/space -- think feet flat on floor, knees in the air

I really felt driving them would result in one really standing out as the definite winner, but I'm still debating it in my head.

Would anyone consider one the better choice for reliability or total cost of ownership reasons?

Sorry for asking so many questions, but this would be my first BMW. I'm so noob when it comes to luxury brand anything.

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Old January 12th, 2018, 15:59   #558
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Would anyone consider one the better choice for reliability or total cost of ownership reasons?


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My wife drives a 2014 328xi and I'm shopping around for a 535D... unless possibly I find a 328D M-Sport wagon in Estoril Blue.

Cost of ownership is the same, especially if you do a fair amount of maintenance yourself.

I'm 5'10 and 210 lbs... the 3 class feels a bit small to me.. but I do like the wagon. But I much prefer the 5 class seats and size of car along with power... also straight 6 cylinder engines are soooooo smooth and almost always bulletproof.

I feel your pain Sorry I couldn't be of better help...lol.
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Old January 12th, 2018, 17:37   #559
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.. unless possibly I find a 328D M-Sport wagon in Estoril Blue.
https://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sa...5D%5D%5B%5D%5D

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Old January 12th, 2018, 21:00   #560
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I'd say I'm pretty handy in the garage. I can take most motorcycles down to the last part and back together again, and I do mean everything. I do as much maintenance on all of my vehicles as I can. But, there are certainly somethings that I still have a mechanic do, sometimes even if I can do it but don't feel like the hassle. For example, I had a VW Guru do the transmission service on my Golf, despite it being a fairly easy job and basically because I never got around to getting VCDS.

Cars are starting to get a lot more complicated, but thanks to YouTube and forums like this, you can generally find how to do something you've never done before.

I'd hope to do as much work on the BMW as I can. I hate dealerships and the hassles related to turning over your vehicle, find a ride, wait for it be done, hope they don't screw something up, get a ride back, paying too much, etc.

I'm finding so far that with the BMW diesels there isn't as much enthusiast forum discussions. For example, I can read until my eyes bleed about delete kits for trucks, but there isn't a lot out there on the same topic for the BMW.

Anyways, thanks everyone for sharing your knowledge. I'll absorb as much as you are willing to share.

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Old January 12th, 2018, 21:18   #561
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Join the Facebook group for instant tips and replies to help needed. The groups is uber fast. Technically speaking though it may not be as concise as a response from a tdiclub member. Take what you can get.

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Old January 13th, 2018, 07:53   #562
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Owning both cars VWs tdis and a 335d, my golf tdi is fun driving and seat strapping, and faster then my 335d, for leisure time my 335D nice all the way around it feels like a tank just like my golf to the ground,
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Old January 13th, 2018, 15:00   #563
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Owning both cars VWs tdis and a 335d, my golf tdi is fun driving and seat strapping, and faster then my 335d, for leisure time my 335D nice all the way around it feels like a tank just like my golf to the ground,
It should be pointed out that you've probably dropped $35K in goodies, research, time, parts, and service on top of a $10K purchase price to get your Tdi to:

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1/4 mile run----13.98 sec. @ 105.37 mph 8 years ago
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300 hp in Golf Tdi weighing 3126 lbs = 192 hp/ton. Cost $45K (ish)


395 hp in 335d (stage 2.8 tune, exhaust upgrades only) weighing 3850 lbs = 205 hp/ ton. Cost $16K (ish).

Bang/$ for Tdi is 4.26 hp/ton/$1,000
Bang/$ for 335d is 12.8 hp/ton/$1000

I'll take the 335d path, thank you.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 18:15   #564
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The 335d and a TDI are very different cars. Not really comparable, about the only thing they have in common is a diesel engine and 4 wheels. I've dialed back my ALH considerably in recent years, but when it was making top power (185/320 on a conservative dyno) it was quick. But my tuned 335d is quicker, no question, especially at 80+ MPH. It's at higher speeds where the 335d really shines.

However, I currently have the 335d, IBW, and my '15 GSW at my house. Far and away IBW gets driven most frequently, with the GSW and 335d driven about the same amount. I enjoy the 335d when I drive it, but I'm just more comfortable in IBW, especially in the snow and in the city. Some of it is the manual transmission, the car's size, and ease in seeing out and seeing the car's corners. And some of it is probably having had it for close to 16 years and 360K miles. One tends to get comfortable. But I think it would be difficult to find a TDI that's faster than a tuned or deleted 335d.
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Old January 14th, 2018, 23:30   #565
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The 335d and a TDI are very different cars. Not really comparable, about the only thing they have in common is a diesel engine and 4 wheels. I've dialed back my ALH considerably in recent years, but when it was making top power (185/320 on a conservative dyno) it was quick. But my tuned 335d is quicker, no question, especially at 80+ MPH. It's at higher speeds where the 335d really shines.

However, I currently have the 335d, IBW, and my '15 GSW at my house. Far and away IBW gets driven most frequently, with the GSW and 335d driven about the same amount. I enjoy the 335d when I drive it, but I'm just more comfortable in IBW, especially in the snow and in the city. Some of it is the manual transmission, the car's size, and ease in seeing out and seeing the car's corners. And some of it is probably having had it for close to 16 years and 360K miles. One tends to get comfortable. But I think it would be difficult to find a TDI that's faster than a tuned or deleted 335d.
No arguments with that comment above. MAXRPM made the comparison between his Tdi ownership experience and the 335d ownership experience. I'm not attempting to invalidate that. Whatever he has experienced is what it is. For non-335d owners though, I thought it fair to point out the absurdity of that comparison, especially the part about his Tdi being faster than his 335d. You have to spend a small fortune to get a Tdi to be faster than a mildly massaged 335d.

FWIW, I already pointed out that the Tdi is much more of a driver's car, especially as it is available with manual transmission, whereas I consider the 335d in factory OEM setup more of a high speed GT. Also the MkIV suspension is near superb, IMO. But slap moderately priced coilovers on a 335d, and upload the DWR TCU tune, and I think it can hang with a Tdi in the twisties. Pretty sure

Also FWIW, I miss my mildly modded Tdi's. They were insanely fun when they weren't being VW's, i.e. every part that has no business breaking, breaks--all the fricken time.

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Old January 15th, 2018, 00:38   #566
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Oh man it seems that with my comment im getting flamed by 335D owners, I'm mechanically inclined I'd say, services and putting engine together i did most of it, so 25k is not near what I spent on my golf way less than that, by the way my 335D is tuned and is hopping around 325-330hp with other things i did to it, ok so let's put the comparison together 335d 6 cyl 3.0 twin turbo vs 2.0 4cyl golf gtb2260vk single turbo, my golf weighs 2850lbs vs 3850 335d, 1000lbs lighter, my golf (guessing right now is about same hp thanmy 335d, so guess which car is quicker? 335d will walk away from golf from a dead stop, but golf will blow doors off 335d within 1/4 mile, on a roll 335d will not stand a chance against my 2.0 period and unless 335d has around 375-400hp I'd guess, if it was the case, that would be a competitive race, c'mon on the twisty with your 335d I'd walk away easy unless you got your 335d around the hp i posted previously, stop getting hurt by my comment I love my 335d but facts are facts, and no BS
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Nick is simply making the point that a VW would need a lot of mods to be as fast as a tuned 335d, and, ironically, a 335d delivering comparable performance may cost less money. The big limitation for the TDI is getting the power to the ground. Traction is an issue.

The 335d is my first BMW, and it's surprised me in several ways, not all of them good. First, I was really reluctant to buy any car with an automatic transmission, but the auto in the 335d behaves really well. I think its job is pretty easy because the engine makes so much torque the transmission doesn't have to shift often. And I find the seating comfortable, actually quite similar to a MKIV TDI in space and seating (standard seats, not sport).

BMW loves to market their tag line of the "ultimate driving machine." I don't think so. The car feels bloated, soft, and BMW managed to make a platform that neither rides nor handles well. My guru says that BMW suspensions don't last long (my car has 55K on it). Konis are in its future. And the road wheels have the combination of being very heavy and bending easily. I've replaced those, as well as the hockey pucks they call run-flat tires.

The other disappointment is road and wind noise. My MKIV certainly isn't quiet, but the BMW is significantly louder than my MKVII GSW. If I had paid the $52K this car cost new I'd by unhappy. But for what these cost used they're a good value.
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Old January 15th, 2018, 14:09   #568
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Peter i made my 1st comment based upon comparison between my 2 cars, i said my fun car is the golf, lower compression and i love the way the tq is set up, so when it comes in youd better grab to the wheel or you may wind up on a ditch,, for me it's a lot fun to drive, 335d I have to admit even when they are stock they got a great tq and they are not slow, i could never talk bad about my 335d but it is what it is, and i love driving such a beautiful car around, can't take away what the car is made for and i do like several other things about it.
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My guru says that BMW suspensions don't last long (my car has 55K on it). Konis are in its future. And the road wheels have the combination of being very heavy and bending easily.
I have upgraded to Eibach springs and Koni Yellows with 513M forged wheels of of an M3 wrapped in MPSS. Significant weight savings on all 4 corners. She handles like she is on rails now. Bushings in rear along with a diff brace help a ton too. Used 335d are now selling in the low teens and very easily modded to 380+hp/600ftlb on stock turbos.
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....my 335D is tuned and is hopping around 325-330hp with other things i did to it, ok so let's put the comparison together 335d 6 cyl 3.0 twin turbo vs 2.0 4cyl golf gtb2260vk single turbo, my golf weighs 2850lbs vs 3850 335d, 1000lbs lighter, my golf (guessing right now is about same hp thanmy 335d, so guess which car is quicker? 335d will walk away from golf from a dead stop, but golf will blow doors off 335d within 1/4 mile, on a roll 335d will not stand a chance against my 2.0 period and unless 335d has around 375-400hp I'd guess, if it was the case, that would be a competitive race, c'mon on the twisty with your 335d I'd walk away easy unless you got your 335d around the hp i posted previously, stop getting hurt by my comment I love my 335d but facts are facts, and no BS
I'm just curious what your best 1/4 mile time is in the TDI. There are some 335d examples laying down high 11s to mid 12s range depending on rear tire set-up. Below is an example, from back in 2014. Now a stage 4 tune with hybrid turbos, if you are talking mod for mod, is pushing around 500hp/700ft/lb...looking at around $5-6K to go that route.

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