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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old September 18th, 2015, 11:33   #46
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Ford and Hyundai/Kia's problems were related to improperly using a valid EPA test cycle, I believe, whereas this is far more of a blatant intentional violation.

Also, regarding VeeDubTDI's edit of the OP... 2012-2013 Passat are also affected even though the EPA press release left them out, and the assertion that it was done by detecting that the car was on a dyno was wrong.
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Old September 18th, 2015, 11:38   #47
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Gosh - I do wonder what the larger-picture impact will be?

Overly-dramatic hypotheticals ahead:

No 2016 models released for months...maybe the entire model year? Now that they are in the crosshairs, VW will certainly need to prove their "fix" before EPA will allow it. That could take a LONG time.

VW delaying or cancelling new TDI models for the USA? If the new motor isn't emissions compliant, maybe they say forget it.

VW pulling out of the US market completely - after all they only sell about 300k cars here every year out of a worldwide 5.5 million. The size of this market may not be worth the time and effort if the EPA regs aren't reasonable.
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Re: the dyno testing.

EPA does emissions compliance and efficiency ratings on a dyno. Regardless of the state inspection procedure, VWs had a switch that fooled the EPA test.
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Gosh - I do wonder what the larger-picture impact will be?

Overly-dramatic hypotheticals ahead:

No 2016 models released for months...maybe the entire model year? Now that they are in the crosshairs, VW will certainly need to prove their "fix" before EPA will allow it. That could take a LONG time.

VW delaying or cancelling new TDI models for the USA? If the new motor isn't emissions compliant, maybe they say forget it.

VW pulling out of the US market completely - after all they only sell about 300k cars here every year out of a worldwide 5.5 million. The size of this market may not be worth the time and effort if the EPA regs aren't reasonable.
Add to the above: Resale value of used TDI's diminished.
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Add to the above: Resale value of used TDI's diminished.
Yep - this is plenty for a class-action suit. If the EPA figures go down and the resale goes down, VW is in for a ride...
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This is REALLY terrible.

As Americans, we've set emissions limits on vehicles. Rather than comply, a manufacturer decides to cheat, by making its car seem clean to regulators while knowing that, out on the roads, the cars will be far dirtier. "Screw you, Americans, we found a way to cheat and we don't think you'll do anything about it."

All to chase profit.

I hope government regulators exact a penalty large enough to deter VW and other manufacturers from cheating like this again.

Just terrible.
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As many have suggested in the Mk7 Golf forum, this is likely the answer to why the 2016 Golf TDI and GSW were being held in port, while their TSI counterparts have been in dealerships.

Very discouraging. I'll be highly disappointed if my FE drops due to the recall.
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It'll be interesting to see how this develops. If the reflash, if that's even the proper remedy, diminishes fuel savings, or ends up shortening the life span of certain pieces of equipment, it would most likely lead to a lawsuit.

Massively disappointing VW.
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After further reading the EPA letter, I wonder why they didn't put a "stop sales" order out for VW TDI's until the software fix was applied?
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This is embarrassing as a VW owner, but more importantly as a diesel owner. Here we are trying to increase diesel's share of the marketplace, and Volkswagen, the largest seller of diesel vehicles, is actively circumventing emissions regulations and creating a very negative news day for diesels.
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Wow! I'm just reading this news now. Forgive my ignorance (I live in an non-emissions area), how would a car "know" it was being tested?
Maybe if there was a device detected plugged into the OBD2 port. When I was in Indiana, our "emissions" test consisted of plugging a computer into the OBD2 port. I assume it was checking for emissions related error codes. There were no tailpipe checks.
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After further reading the EPA letter, I wonder why they didn't put a "stop sales" order out for VW TDI's until the software fix was applied?
because in the big picture it's not that serious. Was there a stop sales order for the Toyotas ? The Boeing Dreamliner was allowed to fly without finding root cause for the battery failures. They just put an exhaust pipe to exit the plane in case the batteries smoked and built heavier containment for the fire.

I take emissions seriously and I do think VW should git stiff punishment. I just do not see a need to halt selling of cars.
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This is embarrassing as a VW owner, but more importantly as a diesel owner. Here we are trying to increase diesel's share of the marketplace, and Volkswagen, the largest seller of diesel vehicles, is actively circumventing emissions regulations and creating a very negative news day for diesels.

Yeah I'm kinda pissed about it too.
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I'll bet this is a factor in Subaru's boxer 4 diesel about face a few years ago, and Mazda's delay with the SkyActiv D models (the engine is featured on the USA Mazda website!).

Maybe they had to emasculate the performance and fuel economy to comply, and felt diesel no longer had any advantage.

Also, you wonder if they suspected VW, or just felt like they were inferior engineers since they could not get the numbers VW has been getting?

Imagine the meetings and decisions getting made at VW right now! Scary time for engineers, regardless of complicity!
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My 2011 is 5 years old this month which means in Delaware I am due for my first(not at dealer) emissions test and registration. When purchased new the first registration(at dealer) is good for 5 years and no inspection or emissions is needed. I should go have it done ASAP before any government action is taken. Otherwise I may be forced to have some type of software update pre inspection/emissions test. I am betting the update will include my engine life being shortened by reburning exhaust. 'Clean diesel'. . Haha. No such thing may be true.

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