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VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) Discussion area for the 2012+ Passat TDI (North American and rest of world versions versions). The North American model was previously codenamed NMS (New Midsize Sedan) and the version the rest of the world gets is sometimes referred to as B7.

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Old January 12th, 2011, 08:34   #361
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Pricing may start at $20k. However, given that many Jettas are now listing at $26-$28k, have to assume that the range will mostly list above $25k, with TDIs at $30 plus k along with the V6
You need to back this one up. Otherwise, this is just rumor mongering. Predicting the future is also a bit rough. There are plenty of Camry's and Accord's that go out the door with their base prices. Why wouldn't Passat do this as well?
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Old January 12th, 2011, 08:49   #362
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Passat 2.5s may well go out the door at the base price, but even the $20k price isn't confirmed, and it is just for the base model.

I'm almost certain that you won't see a TDI for less than $25k, and based on price disparities elsewhere in VW's lineup, $26k+ is realistic.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 09:21   #363
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Agreed Jetta TDIs starting at 23-24K Jetta Sportwagens TDI start at 25K.

I don't forsee a Passat TDI starting any lower than 27K, more along 30K.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 09:22   #364
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Pricing may start at $20k. However, given that many Jettas are now listing at $26-$28k, have to assume that the range will mostly list above $25k, with TDIs at $30 plus k along with the V6
Hm... let's compare German market prices (containing 19% VAT and lots of room for negotiation, Germans don't buy cars at list price, I compared 4motion cars since theres no V6 FWD Passat in Europe)
Euro Passat VR6 4motion Highline: 41,425
Euro Passat 2.0 TDI 4motion Highline: 34,275

Hard to believe a 4-cylinder TDI could be more expensive than a VR6 gasser in other markets. (BlueTDI urea based SCR system as used in the American Passat adds about 1300 to the price, but isn't available with 4motion)
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Old January 12th, 2011, 09:25   #365
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Funny article on autobild.de

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-pa...d=1&now=30#mmg

Autobild wants VW to import the American Passat. They say the 5-cylinder or VR6 wouldn't work in Europe, but the TDI would. And a larger car for cheap would certainly sell in today's economy, who cares about cheaper interior materials. Then they do some currency conversion (without thinking about VAT) and proclaim that this American Passat is cheaper than a Golf. (which it isn't if you compare pre-VAT prices)
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Old January 12th, 2011, 09:29   #366
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yeah but whats the base trim line include on the euro passat Bluemotion vs VR6 that will never see the light of day over on the americanized stripped model?

You think we'll get that Lane Assist? Parking Assist? How many little things won't be in the American model?

Heck they cut the trunk tie down anchors on the Mk5 starting in what 2007?

They'll cut things from the euro specs to keep the price down as the're trying to compete with Kia not be an ecconomical option for BMW.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 09:34   #367
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I didn't compare base model prices, I compared Highline prices, because the VR6 is Highline only.
Stuff like Lane Assist/Parking Assist is optional even in Highline.
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To clarify myself, my guess is the "highline" of the passat TDI for America will be similar to the new 2011 Jetta TDI in that some options freatures stripped off of it to keep costs down.

Then the Jetta GLI will be pared to the Passat VR6 and have even more goodies standard at a higher price.

Cause as of right now there is no Highline/lowline for American TDIs, you're all in with an option of a radio, I have a feeling they'll keep it this way. Another way to think about it too is they'll prob keep the variables low at the new Tenn Plant to work out the bugs, then add in more options as the years go by.

Hopefully they'll have a bunch of gauges, and full MFI on the new Passat and not go as stripped as the Jetta went.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 10:21   #369
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To clarify myself, my guess is the "highline" of the passat TDI for America will be similar to the new 2011 Jetta TDI in that some options freatures stripped off of it to keep costs down.

Then the Jetta GLI will be pared to the Passat VR6 and have even more goodies standard at a higher price.

Cause as of right now there is no Highline/lowline for American TDIs, you're all in with an option of a radio, I have a feeling they'll keep it this way. Another way to think about it too is they'll prob keep the variables low at the new Tenn Plant to work out the bugs, then add in more options as the years go by.

Hopefully they'll have a bunch of gauges, and full MFI on the new Passat and not go as stripped as the Jetta went.
I'm thinking I'd rather a Jetta GLI than a Passat highline VR6. The 2.0T is a very nice engine and much more efficient than the VR6. For that matter I'd get a highline CC 2.0T before an Amerissat 2.5 or VR6.

But what I really lust for is another Passat wagon. Given that 2.0T seems unlikely in the N. America Passat except the CC, the TDI would be the way to go.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 11:11   #370
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In the US, the Jetta TDIs (fairest comparison, as they're the only currently available Americanized VW with a diesel) are halfway in between SE and SEL trim (S = Trendline, SE = Comfortline, SEL = Highline.) The TDI is equivalent to an SE + Sunroof package + MFD + disc brakes, and the TDI + Navigation package is equivalent to an SEL, but with 16" wheels instead of 17".
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Old January 12th, 2011, 13:43   #371
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Cause as of right now there is no Highline/lowline for American TDIs, you're all in with an option of a radio, I have a feeling they'll keep it this way. Another way to think about it too is they'll prob keep the variables low at the new Tenn Plant to work out the bugs, then add in more options as the years go by.
I think VW/Audi has begun to approach the diesel offerings similar to the hybrid offereings. Load up the standards with few options to make the additional engine costs more tolerable. I don't think a new US Passat TDI will be under $30, otherwise there won't be enough price difference between the Passat and Jetta to help with an upsell or a downsell, depending on the customer's true financial situation.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 14:02   #372
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Pricing may start at $20k. However, given that many Jettas are now listing at $26-$28k, have to assume that the range will mostly list above $25k, with TDIs at $30 plus k along with the V6
How do you figure many new Jettas are listing for $26k-$28k?? A fully loaded TDI (the most expensive Jetta currently available in the U.S.) stickers for a hair over $26k, and that's with the DSG. A 6MT variant of the same car is under $25k. Forego the navigation package (which statistics in previous models have shown, most people will do), and you're at a hair over $24k for the DSG model and just under $23k for the 6MT. Point being, you can't even touch $28k in the current Jetta and most models (SE auto) will be in the $20k-$22k range. If the new Passat is starting at $20k like has been reported, I'd expect that most models will be selling for $23k-$25k with the fully loaded VR6 version coming in around the $30k mark. I suspect the TDI model will be optioned similar to the Jetta TDI (i.e., with many standard features) and will come in around the $25k-$26k range. Anything more than that, and VW might as well have kept the expensive B6 model around.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 14:07   #373
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Sounds like the Jetta and Passat are virtually indistinguishable other than size. Strange.
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It looks like the Passat has a temperature gauge.
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Looks like the Passat might use the Polo GTI cluster, rather than the standard Polo cluster.
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