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Alternative Diesel Fuels (Biodiesel, WVO, SVO, BTL, GTL etc) Discussions about alternative fuels for use in our TDI's. This includes biodiesel WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil), SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil), BTL (Biomass to Liquid), GTL (Gas to Liquids) etc. Please note the Fuel Disclaimer.

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Old April 6th, 2009, 18:24   #1
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Default So looking forward to diesel and veggie oil

I made the executive decision today to pursue making my own BioDiesel. A lockable shed is the start of this effort.

Screw the oil companies!!!!

95 TDI passat shows up this Wednesday
05 sprinter van gets its Frybrid veggie kit next week

I will spend the coming weeks finalizing the WVO still. Then begin making my BioDiesel still. Just landed my second restaurant for WVO. So with my 275 Gallon tote that stores cleaned WVO I am hoping one more 55 gallon drum and 55 gallon water heater will give me the capability of making BioDiesel in parallel for the wagon and van.

I know gas is cheap right know, but I am taking the opportunity to invest time and money into setting us up so that we hopefully will only have to hit a petrol station about once a year. Maybe only to Pee.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 18:34   #2
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You can cancel the frybrid kit if you are gonna make actual Biodiesel. That would finance a lot of Methanol and Lye to make Bio with....


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Old April 6th, 2009, 18:47   #3
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After the $1600 investment on the veggie oil I prefer to have the veggie kit in the sprinter van. This will be my road trip vehicle and I have traded words with many "greasers" across the nation. With the veggie kit in the sprinter van I know can burn grease, bio, and petro diesel.

It's common when being a greaser to get free cleaned oil on road trips. Probably not so common with BioDiesel, but maybe I am wrong ......
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It's common when being a greaser to get free cleaned oil on road trips. Probably not so common with BioDiesel, but maybe I am wrong ......
I don't know the situation further west than the Mississippi, but east of that, I can find biodiesel more easily.
Then again, that's probably because I'm not looking for WVO....
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Old April 7th, 2009, 05:09   #5
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Old April 7th, 2009, 07:48   #6
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I don't know the situation further west than the Mississippi, but east of that, I can find biodiesel more easily.
Then again, that's probably because I'm not looking for WVO....
BioDiesel for free ???????? Veggie oil can be found for free among greasers.
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LOL. You can be the Pope for all I care, won't change what WVO does to the insides of a TDI engine.
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BioDiesel for free ???????? Veggie oil can be found for free among greasers.
$1600 per vehicle buys 30,000 miles of fuel. You can pay $1600 now, (and an additional amount later, too). I'd rather pay $2.50/gallon as needed.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 11:00   #9
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His post says WVO in the Sprinter Van not the TDI. Your condescending remarks and stupid fail pictures are completely uncalled for. He even asked you (politely i might add) for specific reasons he would fail and you respond with a stupid Pope analogy.

mackconsult your going to find a lot more support from other forums on WVO and BioD use then here. There are lots of people running 100K miles or more WVO without Huge issues but processing the oil is key.
Thanks for the support. This only reason I posted here is because of my "new to me" 95 TDI wagon that is being shipped across the country as I speak. I am excited about it and the hobby opportunity that lies in front of me for processing oil and biodiesel.

I am already a member on other Bio and Veggie forums, and probably about 90% of the way there in making this happen, I know the effort and risks up against me when pursuing all of this.

It is true that the sprinter van will run Bio primarily, petro every once a while, and veggie on road trips. The TDI will only be running on Bio that I produce. Fortunately my wife and I don't drive very much so we won't consume very much fuel thru the years. My daily driver as an engineer here at Micropump is a XR600R dual sport ...... It would be so cool if future technology brings about diesel outboard marine motors and diesel motorcycles. I think its a dream though.
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$1600 per vehicle buys 30,000 miles of fuel. You can pay $1600 now, (and an additional amount later, too). I'd rather pay $2.50/gallon as needed.
So .....

This whole veggie/biodiesel thing is also a hobby that I will get enjoyment out of.

In the coming years I will easily be driving 20,000 miles a year in the sprinter van doing road trips for vacations and regattas. I am a big time sailboat racer and want to travel with my boat to big regattas in the coming years.

Over the coming years this van will also be used for getting wood in the local mountains, and running down to the coast for day crabbing and fishing.

This is why I validated spending the $$$ on a frybrid kit. My sprinter van will be set up so that it will use Bio made by me, petro from the pump every know and then, and veggie oil that I have stored in a 275 gallon tank.

All of these efforts give me freedom .......
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I really hope the van does not explode. I'm not saying you can't make it work, I've just watched someone with a 2002 Dodge blow a set of injectors, two fuel pumps (tandem and injection), and throw thousands of dollars into his "greaser."

I'm rather happy to buy an actual fuel made from vegetable oil. answer me this; the "fat" of the oil that is cut away in the transesterification process to make biodiesel... where does that end up if you burn the raw oil directly in the engine?

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The 1995 in reference is a 1997 1Z transplant into a 1995 body. Nice car. I saw it while the conversion was in process.

And Sip'n,
That's twice now in the past week that you've tried to capitalize an exclamation mark.

Anyway, I've also seen similar, though not quite as severe, piston damage in a 1Z that had run WVO for some time. I don't know how much his kit cost, but I know I made a nearly $1k off him by selling him my spare engine when the now re-formed greaser holed a piston.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 12:57   #13
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The 1995 in reference is a 1997 1Z transplant into a 1995 body. Nice car. I saw it while the conversion was in process.
ah, thanks for pointing that out. I must be sofa king we todd did for not knowing about that! that's the last time I will try to warn someone that they will be attempting to run an unauthorized fuel in a non-existent engine platform model year
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B100 biodiesel (meeting DIN specification) was allowed in the B4 TDI.
Well, the UK models anyway...
I had a copy of the pertinent page from the UK owner's manual that I used as evidence of maufacturer's consent in order to be allowed to compete with my B100 powered 96 Passat in the 2003 Tour de Sol in a "production", rather than "experimental", category.
The Tour organizers still bumped me out of "production" anyway, probably so as to not upset the Toyota corporate underwriting of the event.

back on topic:
I have no specific concerns that biodiesel can be used, but I don't recommend WVO for either the Sprinter or the conversion Passat.
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quick question for the OP: do you want one filtering/processing hobby? or two?

despite the negativity you have been receiving... we ("we" can be read as "I" or "TDIClub") want to see you succeed, not fail!
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