GoFaster
Moderator at Large
Yes, the emission warranties are transferable.
Does that include the DSG? If so, then it sounds like a private sale would be acceptable. I had hoped for a manual as I understand the DSG requires expensive servicing.Yes, the emission warranties are transferable.
I understand a DSG controller flash is required as part of the emissions fix. That this could not be done to the manuals seems likely to be the reason VW had to give up on them. Certainly sounds like it ought to be covered as well.The emissions warranty doesn't cover the transmission (DSG) and never did. Engine, yes. Transmission, no.
DSG transmission requires occasional oil changes, but it's not rocket science.
Did you read the notice? First & second paragraphs seem clear to me.What tells you they gave up? The last I heard was it was still in process. Note also that prior to this, absolutely everything that the naysayers have said would/could not be fixed has been, so I think this just may be a matter of time. And even if not, they are still legal to drive as is . . .
Subject: Withdrawal of Approved Emissions Modification Application 2012-2014 Model Year Volkswagen Passat 2.0L TDI Manual Transmission
Dear Volkswagen Owner or Lessee,
As part of Volkswagen's Court-approved settlements with the United States Department of Justice (DOJ), Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the California Air Resources Board (CARB), the California Attorney General’s Office (CAAG), the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and class plaintiffs represented by the Court-appointed Class Counsel, we are informing you that Volkswagen has withdrawn the application for an emissions modification for 2012-2014 model year 2.0L TDI (GEN 2) Volkswagen Passat vehicles with manual transmissions. Our records show that you may be the owner or lessee of a vehicle affected by this action. The purpose of this letter is to inform you of that withdrawal and provide you with information on your options. Please visit VWCourtSettlement.com for more information on this issue contact us at 844-98 CLAIM.
Why am I receiving this notice? Volkswagen has withdrawn its application for an emissions modification for 2012-
2014 model year 2.0L TDI (GEN 2) Volkswagen Passat vehicles with manual transmissions. This notice is to inform you that an Approved Emissions Modification will be not be available for your vehicle.
To expand on this a bit. Owners of 2012-2014 Passat SE TDI models equipped with a manual transmission will be stuck with an orphan car with respect to the emission system.Correct - you can still keep driving them. However, you will not receive any restitution unless you do the buyback.
My understanding is the emissions fix for Gen 2 DSG Passat's is software only, and there's no difference in engine emission systems between DSG and MT engines. There is no change in emission system components, so emissions parts aren't going to "dry up".My take is VW will stop supplying original replacement emission system parts after the phase-2 fix is out. All the parts from that point forward will be phase-2 replacement parts. Stock emission parts for unfixed Passats will dry up fast.
OK, I understand where I misinterpreted the fix for the different generation engines. I own both gen-2 and gen-3 cars with manual transmissions. It's the gen-3 car that is getting the phase-2 fix which includes a hardware upgrade sometime in 2018 regardless of which transmission it has. Since there is no gen-2 fix with manual transmissions I didn't carefully read through the gen-2 fix for the DSG or the gen-1 fix. Gen-1 engines also get a two part fix, firmware update and hardware update.My understanding is the emissions fix for Gen 2 DSG Passat's is software only, and there's no difference in engine emission systems between DSG and MT engines. There is no change in emission system components, so emissions parts aren't going to "dry up".
It also impacts those who own one and wish to sell it, as unlike its DSG brothers there is no extended warranty to attract a buyer. So unless I miss my guess there is a big incentive to participate in the buyback unless you plan to drive it until it falls apart, as you will never get a better offer.OK, I understand where I misinterpreted the fix for the different generation engines. I own both gen-2 and gen-3 cars with manual transmissions. It's the gen-3 car that is getting the phase-2 fix which includes a hardware upgrade sometime in 2018 regardless of which transmission it has. Since there is no gen-2 fix with manual transmissions I didn't carefully read through the gen-2 fix for the DSG or the gen-1 fix. Gen-1 engines also get a two part fix, firmware update and hardware update.
Thank you for pointing this out. This does indeed change things for those who choose to keep their 2012-2014 Gen-2 Passat SE TDIs cars equipped with a manual transmission.
Such a requirement does not exist. It's a common myth. Many supplies of factory parts dry up within five years, and for some parts (such as complete wiring harnesses) it can be as short as two. http://www.autonews.com/article/20131102/OEM10/311049982/factory-parts-for-an-older-car?-good-luckI think that you will find that the legal requirement to support a vehicle for a minimum number of years (can't recall the specific) will still be in play here, requiring VW to support these cars moving forward. The car is *legal* at this poont, the emission system is simply *non compliant*, thus they are not legally prevented from supporting it, especially considering the laws that require them to do so . . . This will also have negligible impact on aftermarket parts suppliers, who will likely enjoy the lack of OEM competition . . .
Not much to do, sell it or keep it.What should i do.??
Also factor into your equation that no fix means no extended warranty.Not much to do, sell it or keep it.
Option 1. Figure out what your car is worth if you sold it back to VW. Here is a buy-back calculator.
http://phpbbcalendarmod.com/buyback/index.php/calculator/
This isn't exactly what VW will give you but it will be very close. Considering the cost of your upgrades, can you live with this number? Yes? Sell you car and move on.
Option 2. Keep the car, continue on with your upgrades, drive it, and enjoy it. Not much else to do.
The impact of no extended warranty can be negated by an emission delete tune. Of course there is no warranty on the rest of the car either so one has to weigh that in.Also factor into your equation that no fix means no extended warranty.
Dave
This piece of it is not true for 45 of 50 US states (sorry, I can't find the information at the moment which identifies whether Colorado was one of the 5). In all of the 45 states that accepted cash as part of VW's settlement, part of the agreement is that these cars can continue to be registered, with or without being "fixed", as long as they pass the usual periodic inspections - which is an OBDII check - which, as long as your "check engine" lamp is not on, it will pass.I will NOT be able to keep the car as I can't license it in my state (Colorado) due to the emissions failures, every two years you need to have your vehicle emission tested and are required to repair it if it fails. Without a factory fix for the emissions they are simply going to refuse to renew the license plates.
Can you share this info?I have received a postal letter from VW, and also an email saying that there will NOT be a fix for 2012-2014 2.0l TDI with 6-speed manual transmission Passat vehicles
Read post #20 of this very thread.Can you share this info?
A 2015 Passat manual?Not happy about this at all, I bought the diesel for the mileage and I don't want a hybrid, really nothing out there that I want to replace my Passat.
Ask yourself: if I needed a car and someone was selling this exact car for $18,600 right now, is that a good deal? Would I buy it?What should i do.??
Yes, I agree. It seems VW has gone out of their way to keep "everyone else" happy (with fix and sizable restitution payment or buy back) but for the few 6 speed manual Passat people - too bad. Take our buy back offer or go fly a kite.Well that sucks.
For those of us wishing to keep the car we should get money as though we went in for a fix.
Or offer to retrofit an automatic and give us money.
Or that A8L diesel
Yes, I agree. It seems VW has gone out of their way to keep "everyone else" happy (with fix and sizable restitution payment or buy back) but for the few 6 speed manual Passat people - too bad. Take our buy back offer or go fly a kite.
Guess there is too few of us to worry about a class action suit from us.
Looks like the last VW I will own.
If you do some looking you should be able to find which 5 states did not take VW money on the settlement - I'll see if I can find it.
Edit - in thread
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=475532&highlight=states
the states are Arizona, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Vermont and West Virginia.
Every other state is required to let you continue to drive your "unfixed" car for the rest of its lifetime, as long as it passes other things as well (safety inspection, etc.).
So, place yourself in VW's position for a moment. What do you do if you attempt to develop a fix for the problem (which they did), and submit it for approval (which they did), and it fails - albeit by the slimmest of margins (which it did), and you've already tried every viable technical solution (which we don't know, but we do know that they initially stated that they would re-submit something, which later turned into a withdrawal of the submission)?Yes, I agree. It seems VW has gone out of their way to keep "everyone else" happy (with fix and sizable restitution payment or buy back) but for the few 6 speed manual Passat people - too bad. Take our buy back offer or go fly a kite.