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VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) Discussion area for the 2012+ Passat TDI (North American and rest of world versions versions). The North American model was previously codenamed NMS (New Midsize Sedan) and the version the rest of the world gets is sometimes referred to as B7.

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Old June 17th, 2017, 00:32   #1
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Wanted to keep my Passat, but clutch developed problems. I'll be turning it in in August. Over the last three weeks I have test driven six-seven different models of midsize sedans. Sonata, Accord, Camry, Malibu, Altima, etc. Hands-down, Ford Fusion hybrid is my favorite. We are vacationing in Hawaii, just completed a 160 mile trip from our hotel to Hana and back. Twisting roads, hills, stop and go like you wouldn't believe. 47.5 miles per gallon on regular unleaded gas, babying it like I usually do. With the diesel premium in my area, plus Adblue, I'd have to get well over 50 miles per gallon in my Passat to be equivalent. My lifetime average is 42. And the ride is fantastic, very quiet, good handling etc. I realize the mileage will drop down to mid-30s at 80 mph, but still, not bad at all, very comparable cost per mile to Passat, if not better. At least as reliable, according to consumer reports.

I'm sold. Will start looking for a good 2015-2016 Fusion hybrid soon.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 07:18   #2
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A friend had a Toyota Camry Hybrid. Driving several thousand miles with two fairly large (heavy) people and all their luggage and much of it mountainous driving he was royally ticked of with the lousy mileage he got.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 08:42   #3
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Ford has an excellent hybrid system. Our CMax getting a solid 39mpg, c/h, plenty of torque, MUCH more linear than Prius. Not the driver's car of a VW, but good European handling.

Avalon Hybrid: still getting 38mpg, C/H, with a real trunk. We love it.

Problem with the Fusion hybrid: trunk space.

(The drive to Hana is amazing, isn't it?)
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Old June 17th, 2017, 10:32   #4
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We test drove an Avalon too. I did like it. I think the Fusion beats it in handling and cornering, and it seems just as quiet. I don't claim to be a car guy, what do I know?

Fusion trunk space is definitely limited. But with an Explorer as my wife's car, we have a way to make any trip or situation work. Funny thing, she picked out that car after driving 6-7 three-row SUVs last year, including Honda and Toyota. Unintentionally, we will be a Ford family (with a beater Sierra pickup to boot.)

Hana - should be on everyone's bucket list. Any attempt by me to describe it can't do it justice. Breathtaking.

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Old June 17th, 2017, 16:06   #5
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We did the Hana drive 25 years ago. Wife had me pull over so she could throw up. I'll never forget that trip. Our two young daughters in the back seat went horizontal for most of the drive.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 22:19   #6
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We test drove an Avalon too. I did like it. I think the Fusion beats it in handling and cornering, and it seems just as quiet. I don't claim to be a car guy, what do I know?

Fusion trunk space is definitely limited. But with an Explorer as my wife's car, we have a way to make any trip or situation work. Funny thing, she picked out that car after driving 6-7 three-row SUVs last year, including Honda and Toyota. Unintentionally, we will be a Ford family (with a beater Sierra pickup to boot.)

Hana - should be on everyone's bucket list. Any attempt by me to describe it can't do it justice. Breathtaking.
No doubt the Fusion beats the Avalon in handling and cornering...it's smaller, and a better "drivers" car. I'd prefer it over the Avalon, but we need the trunk space. I'm not a fan of SUVs, will never own one.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 04:16   #7
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No doubt the Fusion beats the Avalon in handling and cornering...it's smaller, and a better "drivers" car. I'd prefer it over the Avalon, but we need the trunk space. I'm not a fan of SUVs, will never own one.
All of this is true of us, too. At this point, absent a better option, we will almost certainly end up in a gas Passat -either the TSI or VR6- or something like the Volvo S90. The Jaguars are out because they're RWD.
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No doubt the Fusion beats the Avalon in handling and cornering...it's smaller, and a better "drivers" car. I'd prefer it over the Avalon, but we need the trunk space. I'm not a fan of SUVs, will never own one.
We had an Avalon, which we traded in on the 2013 SEL we bought. The Avalon had no road feel and a lot of torque steering. Certainly in a different zip code than the Passat. Frankly, Avalon's current styling looks like it drove off a cliff onto a parking lot face first. The Japanese have such a wonderful cultural art sense, but when it comes to cars, seems they lose their styling way and lack the subtlety of their cultural artistic aesthetics.
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Old June 19th, 2017, 04:39   #9
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All of this is true of us, too. At this point, absent a better option, we will almost certainly end up in a gas Passat -either the TSI or VR6- or something like the Volvo S90. The Jaguars are out because they're RWD.

Yeah cause the price of Jags compared to the Passat doesn't play a factor in it?

RWD would be plus 100 in my book.
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We had an Avalon, which we traded in on the 2013 SEL we bought. The Avalon had no road feel and a lot of torque steering. Certainly in a different zip code than the Passat. Frankly, Avalon's current styling looks like it drove off a cliff onto a parking lot face first. The Japanese have such a wonderful cultural art sense, but when it comes to cars, seems they lose their styling way and lack the subtlety of their cultural artistic aesthetics.
Aesthetics always a matter of taste, gender, age differences.

What year Avalon did you trade? The 2013>>> suspension is vastly improved.

Different zip code, but still in the same county...HAHA!!!
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Yeah cause the price of Jags compared to the Passat doesn't play a factor in it?
RWD would be plus 100 in my book.
Price is a very big deal, true. That being said, it's not clear whether we can be happy in a gas Passat. We'll test drive both the 1.8 TSI and the VR6, since I'm not sure the 1.8 can deliver the performance we're used to in the TDI. I'd hate to toss that fuel efficiency out the window, but oh, well.
If the Passat won't cut it for us, the next choice would probably be the Volvo s90 or the Jagó both in the same price bracket. I wouldn't like that either, but there just aren't a lot of "driver's cars" out there in that size to choose from.....

I'm afraid, based on discussions I've had, that the RWD v. FWD issue is incommensurable, so not much point discussing it. And I find AWD silly and a lot of needless complexity, at least for us.
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Old June 22nd, 2017, 00:41   #12
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I have high hopes for the Mazda CX5 diesel. They're taking an interesting approach. They are making the engine as un-dieselly as they can. VERY low compression ratio. (Comparable to a high performance gasser.) Diesels run fine with low compression IF you can get them started. Mazda is handling that with extremely advanced injection and fast glow plugs.

Since the engine takes much less of a beating, due to the low compression, they are able to make everything about it lighter. So it's basically a gas engine that runs on diesel.

Sounds frighteningly like GM's approach back in the '70s except they didn't bother with technology. They just put high compression pistons in a small block V8 and added diesel injectors. Disaster. But if you think about it you don't need to build a diesel engine like a tank if it's not being violently smacked around by high compression, right?

I hope it works. If somebody offers a reasonably priced, midsize AWD crossover with a diesel I'm buying it. Somebody who knows how to build quality vehicles, anyway.

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Price is a very big deal, true. That being said, it's not clear whether we can be happy in a gas Passat. We'll test drive both the 1.8 TSI and the VR6, since I'm not sure the 1.8 can deliver the performance we're used to in the TDI. I'd hate to toss that fuel efficiency out the window, but oh, well.
If the Passat won't cut it for us, the next choice would probably be the Volvo s90 or the Jagó both in the same price bracket. I wouldn't like that either, but there just aren't a lot of "driver's cars" out there in that size to choose from.....
I'm afraid, based on discussions I've had, that the RWD v. FWD issue is incommensurable, so not much point discussing it. And I find AWD silly and a lot of needless complexity, at least for us.
I drove a 2017 TSi for a week while they retrofitted my TDI. It's a great engine. Honestly more fun to drive than the TDI. I was having a good time. But the fuel economy isn't great if you play with the engine. Driven carefully it can be pretty impressive.

What I found odd was that I couldn't get anywhere near the same mileage out of it that my daughter gets with her 2017 TSi. And I was actually trying. I didn't have it long enough to explore the whys and wherefores.

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Old June 22nd, 2017, 03:31   #14
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Find a used Audi 3.0 TDI. There's a really nice 2014 Q5 TDI Prestige S-Line on AutoTrader.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 04:37   #15
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Our Passat is being replaced by a Subaru Legacy. Drove one the other day and we were surprised by how quiet the cabin is at speed, and how well the cvt transmission works. Will miss the low end torque of the diesel and mileage.
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