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VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) Discussion area for the 2012+ Passat TDI (North American and rest of world versions versions). The North American model was previously codenamed NMS (New Midsize Sedan) and the version the rest of the world gets is sometimes referred to as B7.

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Old May 23rd, 2017, 04:07   #16
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This announcement does nothing to move me from the buyback. Even if it contained any particulars about what the effect(s) of the fix on the car's performance and fuel efficiency were, it probably still wouldn't change anything for me.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 04:10   #17
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Ouch. ... only the SW. No free DPF/NOx Cat refresh, like with Gen3.
Like I speculated elsewhere, they are forcing higher RPM while engine is cold. And, I am still afraid, therein lies the reason they couldnt fix the 6MT the same way. No way to control the gear.
DEF consumption might increase 2X+ - however the likely increase in wear of NOx cat is not addressed. Like we learned in chemistry classes looong while back, catalyst facilitates a chem reaction but is NOT consumed in process .... riiight
Best thing that could happen for owners - it would wear out and quit during the 48K wty bump.
What did EA189 in: it simply takes forever to come up to the temp. Mine, on a cold NJ winter morning, takes up to 5 miles of brisk driving to get that needle vertical. Darn NOx cat sits too far from engine, is kept cold by air running in under-the-car tunnel and takes even longer to come up to the temp where the reduction reaction can actually take place.
And that's why in EA288 they have the "standing coolant" mode and DPF/NOx Cat assy is bolted directly past turbo, where there's no moving cold air and exhaust gases are at their max temp. They also thermally insulate it (cause they have to to save the bay from scorching temps) - and that helps these to come up to the temp even sooner.
Thats why the Gen 3 fix addresses BOTH the 6MT and DSG, as they have enough reserves in the engine design.

After EA189 comes up to the temp and NOx Cat is operating, I am sure modified emissions #s are met, event with 6MT.

It is the initial minutes after cold start when it is so hard to control them.

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Old May 23rd, 2017, 04:56   #18
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So with our 2012 with 80k on the clock looks like we'd pocket 7K and then get a 4 yr/48K warranty.

Or we could sell back and pocket 20K.

Thinking buy back still, if we didn't have the 2015, it'd be a different story.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 05:05   #19
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Glad we decided on the buyback and now own a 2015 SEL. 11Y 162K warranty will be good through 2028. Our 2013 would have had a 6y 80K extended warranty. We did really like our 2013 but the 2015 so far is getting better mileage and the SEL is a nicer ride all in all.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 07:48   #20
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I read that entire PDF, sounds like injection timing changes, shift point changes (maybe no more 4th gear lug @30mph) and maybe not using pilot injection at part throttle operation- thus the louder sounds- that's actually a good thing! oh and my 2013 with 71k only shows a $6100 payment
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 09:16   #21
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I'm wondering when they're going to start actually doing the fix. My car sees more miles than average and I know it's already going to affect my payment negatively, not to mention I am making a 1K plus mile road trip over 3 days in June.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 09:19   #22
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As of today the VW website still says no fix available for a '14.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 09:45   #23
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2 possibilities here:
- they worked, on a "generic" Gen2 fix. When applied to manuals, they couldn't meet the emission targets, fix only really worked with DSG (as they can control the gears). This would be bad news for us 6MT owners. They might just say - fixing 6MT is too hard, not even worth it for the few thousand of stick owners, let them take BB, full stop, move on to fix for Gen1 autos.
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- they first worked on fix for DSGs. Now that it's been approved and experience gained, they move onto the 6MT. That's better outcome for us 6MT owners.
Please lord let them get the fix for the manuals worked out! I am really looking fwd to the fix now since I've read all about the gen 3 cars that have been fixed.
Did the gen 3 fix cover both MT and AT cars?

Oh here is the URL to the PDF guide to what gets fixed on the AT passats:
https://www.vwcourtsettlement.com/en...Volkswagen.pdf
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Old May 24th, 2017, 04:43   #24
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I found this while browsing around this morning. Looks like as of it's 5/19 publishing, the EPA/CARB gave a 10 day notification window for VW to roll out the fix.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...2017-05-19.pdf
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Old May 24th, 2017, 08:42   #25
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Please lord let them get the fix for the manuals worked out! I am really looking fwd to the fix now since I've read all about the gen 3 cars that have been fixed.
Did the gen 3 fix cover both MT and AT cars?
Oh here is the URL to the PDF guide to what gets fixed on the AT passats:
https://www.vwcourtsettlement.com/en...Volkswagen.pdf
Amen to that.

It seems the AT fix was pretty simple, the 2015s MT were fixable, logic would say ours should be too. Yes I am optimistic!

I'l be keeping the car anyway whether a fix or no fix, the fix and $$ would be a nice bonus.
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Old May 29th, 2017, 07:03   #26
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I found this while browsing around this morning. Looks like as of it's 5/19 publishing, the EPA/CARB gave a 10 day notification window for VW to roll out the fix.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...2017-05-19.pdf
That's interesting. I called the 1-800 number to see if they could estimate a roll out date and the lady had no idea. It'd be nice if it was ASAP since I'll be taking a 1,600 trip down south this summer...
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Old June 2nd, 2017, 03:29   #27
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Has anybody heard from VW of America on this repair as yet? Seems they are way over the ten days the court said they had to contact customers. Just curious.
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Old June 2nd, 2017, 04:57   #28
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I received an information / warranty packet in the mail yesterday.
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Old June 2nd, 2017, 11:41   #29
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Checked the website at lunch and was able to schedule an appointment for the fix.
I am set for Tuesday AM.
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Old June 2nd, 2017, 12:08   #30
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Just saw it was updated. Scheduling now.

*Edit* Killer. Monday at 2PM (provided my Dr doesn't put me in for surgery for my foot as I have an appointment that morning at 8 AM). Best part is that this will be done prior to my 1500+ mile road trip at the end of the week, so I'll also be able to get a solid gauge of what economy is gong to do afterwards.

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