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VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) Discussion area for the 2012+ Passat TDI (North American and rest of world versions versions). The North American model was previously codenamed NMS (New Midsize Sedan) and the version the rest of the world gets is sometimes referred to as B7.

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Old May 12th, 2017, 11:06   #31
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Old May 12th, 2017, 11:09   #32
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It was even funnier on the paperwork as I corrected all the spelling typos
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Old May 13th, 2017, 17:47   #33
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just did our first 200 mile road trip, cruise set at 70mph for 75% of the trip, balance mostly 2 lane rural roads and a few city miles, averaged 47.4 mpg about 3mpg more than our 2013 SE used to get figuring by fuely. I'm impressed
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Old May 14th, 2017, 05:19   #34
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picked up a 2015 sel passat tdi yesterday, with 82 miles on the clock. Having been a new car dealer and probably have bought and sold thousands of cars over the last fifty years, I stumbled on an actually good , competent VW dealer, after dealing with a dozen incompetent snooks. They had put the car back to new condition. Should anyone ask who this dealer is, i'll be happy to share.
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Old May 14th, 2017, 09:22   #35
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picked up a 2015 sel passat tdi yesterday, with 82 miles on the clock. Having been a new car dealer and probably have bought and sold thousands of cars over the last fifty years, I stumbled on an actually good , competent VW dealer, after dealing with a dozen incompetent snooks. They had put the car back to new condition. Should anyone ask who this dealer is, i'll be happy to share.
A snook is a highly prized sport fish.

A shnook (from the Yiddish "schnook") is an easily deceived, victimized person.

Most people get this wrong, as the "shnook" is the poor customer that is deceived by an incompetent, or corrupt, sales person or tech, who are better known as "crooks."
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Old May 15th, 2017, 04:20   #36
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thanks for the explanation, these were schnooks and gonifs (sp?)
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Old May 15th, 2017, 06:36   #37
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Old May 18th, 2017, 14:41   #38
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thundershorts- I'd be interested in learning the identity of the competent VW dealer. (PM sent)
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Old May 18th, 2017, 16:41   #39
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Let me chime in on my Lease to Purchase experience and the reasons why I did so.
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In this long post I'll talk about why I chose the lease option.
Why it's not a bad option for many.
And my concerns with cars sitting for long periods and how Vw addessed them.

If this is what you want to know, keep reading. If not, hopefully my summary helped you save a few minutes.

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First, I used to sell VW's. I worked at 3 dealerships over an 8 year course. I learned a few things, and dont mind sharing them here.

I recently picked up 3 2015 "NEW" "Fixed" Tdi's Beetle Convertible, Passat and Golf Sportwagen.
I asked questions about sitting long term, flat spots on tires, fluids, water in the diesel fuel, etc.

They SHOWED me the 30 day checks they had to do. Each of the cars had at least 120 miles on them indicating they'd been driven.
This dealership drove all their TDI's monthly so they'd not just sit. They got up to operating temperature, and drove 8 miles down and 8 miles back once a month to get the condensation out of the oil (by getting the engine to normal operating temp), Upon the Phase 1 fix, they also changed the tires, fluids, (including brake), wipers, battery, including key fobs. So when I drove off the lot the car was in the same condition that all the 2017 cars were in on their lot.
When I sold cars for VW, I remember the "aged" cars (over 60 days on the lot) having to be serviced every 30 days. They'd be driven, the battery would be charged via external charger, and a series of checks had to be done). Every service will appear on the car's service history by its VIN. These cars were rare, but ocassionally we'd have an unusual configuration that would be slow to sell. (Base White Rabbit with manual transmission, Gasser of course).

I purchased mine for Sticker price, minus the $8500 Lease incentive.

There was a comment earlier about someone not wanting to do a lease. In my case, it was better to lease, (and take the $8500 discouint) AND THEN buy your own car off lease, than it is to take the $5000 discount and purchase option.

WHY?
When I buy my car off lease, my sales tax (which I'll be charged for the purchase (residual) price of my car will be added in again. In Alabama, unlike some other states, it's pretty low. I'm looking about 3.8%. For state, city and county taxes. This isn't the case everywhere. Before you do this lease to purchase, check what your automobile sales tax is, and if it applies to purchasing your own car off lease. Remember, you'll only have to pay sales tax on the residual value of the car when you buy your own car off lease.

Lease 101:
For those who don't know, if you purchase your car after the lease is over, you buy it for a pre-determined residual price. The leases VW has are Closed-End lease, meaning the residual is a set percentage of the MSRP. This is determined AT THE TIME of the lease inception. So there are no surprises.

Normally when you turn in a leased car, you are responsible for damage and any mileage overage from what you agreed for/paid for in your lease.

BUT- when you purchase YOUR OWN car off lease, miles and condition don't matter.
Meaning You can take the $8500 discount. Do VW's 24 month short term lease. (which is all they offer on the TDI's to get the $8500), Pay down the car to it's residual (about $13-14k), then either refinance the residual amount or pay for it outright and own the car. If you've driven the car 50,000 miles in that 2 year period, as long as youre buying it, it doesnt matter that you went over on your miles. YOUR RESIDUAL VALUE is all VW wants you to pay in order to own the car.

The 72 months at 0% with a 5k discount leaves $3500 on the table as far as discounts are concerned.

What I did:
On one of the cars, we put down enough to cover the entire lease. It's a ONE-pay lease. It cut the amount by a few hundred dollars over what it would have been for 24 monthly payments. So, effectively, we have 2 years of driving with no car payment.

BEFORE YOU DO THIS OPTION, should you want to buy it, check with your local dealer to see what taxes they charge. Again, when you purchase your own leased car, you may have to pay sales tax on that purchase, plus any dealer fees like doc fees. (It pays to shop around to see if a dealership near you is in a lower tax area than another dealer).

On the other two cars I put down $5000. Short term leases have higher payments than long term leases and I wanted to have 2 cars for the payment of one. Because you're taking most of the depreciation (which is what you're paying for on a lease), in the first 2 years.

My payments on the other two are in the low $200's for 23 months. (First month is taken from the upfront downpayment.)

Essentially all I'll have to do to own these cars, during the next 20 months (I want to own before the 90 day to turn in date), is pay off the 4500-5000 I owe on the lease obligation on those 2 cars. Then I'll be able to purchase them for their 12k-14k residual.

If I finance a 14k car, my monthly payments at 60 months will be about $250 including tax. At 36 months about $400.

Lease taxes will vary by where you live. Even within the same city the difference between townships or zipcodes may be quite a bit.

If I can help, shoot me a pm. I dont have up to date current residual values, because I dont have access any more, but maybe I can give some advice.

Thanks.

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Old May 21st, 2017, 11:36   #40
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Jerry, that write up was amazing and helpful. I sent you a PM asking for clarification on how dealers figure lease payments.
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 00:08   #41
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Hmm, what if your state has zero taxes on both lease and sales?
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 09:26   #42
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The 72 months at 0% with a 5k discount leaves $3500-625=3875 on the table as far as discounts are concerned.

Corrected, that lease acquisition fee isn't free. Granted it compares to GAP insurance others have been quoted for the financing.

We hope to have the 2012 Passat turned in by end of June and the lease paid off and only forking over about 7K.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 09:07   #43
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I am kicking myself for not checking this more regularly.

If anyone has any dealer sightings of a Jetta / Passat 6 speed PLEASE send me a PM. Otherwise my wife and I will spend dozens more hours working down the list of every possible VW dealer. No jettas/passats on cars.com are actually available.

I really, really don't want to have to figure out how to do a DSG to 6sp conversion... like we did on our MK4 2002.

Last night a dealer showed us a Jetta 6sp since it didn't have a hold/sold tag, but as we were making our deposit they said it was already commited. arch.

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Old May 23rd, 2017, 09:45   #44
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You will not be able to find these on cars.com as most dealerships have remove them from the new car listings. And I'm not sure how cars.com works but I know it is tied in with dealership Systems.

For those who are looking for any remaining tdi's. I helped a friend purchase a Passat TDI it Jim Ellis Volkswagen in Atlanta this past Saturday. They had several tdi's remaining mostly wagons. And I believe they have just sold out of passats. They do have a golf or at least they did at the time that I was there. There are two Jim Ellis locations at believe this one was the Marietta location
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Old May 26th, 2017, 05:33   #45
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6sp manuals will be even harder to find.
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