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WTB: tuning box or bigger injectors
- Thread starter devanwon
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Lino4585226
Active member
devanwon, I just got an Upsolute Power Box for my 98 Jetta TDI. WOW, what a difference, no power lag from 1st to 2nd and steady power throughout.. I got it directly from the Upsolute Director in North Carolina as I found out that I distributor in NJ was trying to make $$ on it. Also, the Upsolute chip is socketed, so you can install it yourself. I chose the PB because I can move it from one car to another.Not sure where you are located, but here's the guys info.
>>>Rene Berube
rberube@upsolute.com
>>>8125 MCalpine Drive
>>>Charlotte, NC 28217
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Lino D.
>>>Rene Berube
rberube@upsolute.com
>>>8125 MCalpine Drive
>>>Charlotte, NC 28217
Hope this helps,
Regards,
Lino D.
jpcherry
Veteran Member
I might have a set of brand new, in the box, uninstalled .205 injectors (Bosch factory- not rebuilds) FS... My j4 was just in an accident and I'm not sure what I'm going to do with them as the medical bills start coming in.
Lino4585226
Active member
Devanwon, I agree with blitzoid...
Here’s my two cents.. These days, a more economical approach is to replace just THE NOZZLES rather than the whole injector… Scott (AKA StealthTDI) suggests using a POWERPLUS NOZZLES available from KermaTDI rather than .205mm. His web page has great info. The POWERPLUS performance is enhanced, with 7-10% more power and 15-25% more torque over the OEM counterpart.. Cost from KermaTDI $279.95…. The cost of .205mm injectors around $600 (ouch). Autobraun.com in Canada is the only one in North America who actually stocks them…
http://www.stealthtdi.com/Performance.html
http://www.kermatdi.com/
Good Luck,
Lino D.
Here’s my two cents.. These days, a more economical approach is to replace just THE NOZZLES rather than the whole injector… Scott (AKA StealthTDI) suggests using a POWERPLUS NOZZLES available from KermaTDI rather than .205mm. His web page has great info. The POWERPLUS performance is enhanced, with 7-10% more power and 15-25% more torque over the OEM counterpart.. Cost from KermaTDI $279.95…. The cost of .205mm injectors around $600 (ouch). Autobraun.com in Canada is the only one in North America who actually stocks them…
http://www.stealthtdi.com/Performance.html
http://www.kermatdi.com/
Good Luck,
Lino D.
jpcherry
Veteran Member
/images/graemlins/confused.gif I didn't pay $600 for my complete .205 injectors, in fact far less than that!
Patience rewards. Besides, replace the entire housing and you have the originals to which you can add new nozzles (want some .313s? I can get 'em). I have a clip of a golf running them at 2002 TDIfest
Want to spank in summer and winter? This may be the way... At least that was my thought until the joker with the beretta decided that my car needed to be modified a la his front end.
Had to add this later:
And I wholeheartedly agree with Blitzoid. make sure you know what you're getting into. Single fueling mods are fairly safe, but when you start piggybacking items, that's where you actually have to start "tuning" your car. I'm running an UP chip, always have, always will. Adding injectors or a TB on top of any chip is not always recommended. You're going to pay the price for that performance somewhere, be it with a slipping clutch; excess smoke; premature turbo failure; speeding tickets; pitted pistons; excess EGTs; overboost; de-tuned chip; reduced fueling via mapping or pump mods; etc.
There's a lot to consider once you head down the road. It's all spelled out in the FAQ, but I'm sure you've read it. I was planning for a lot before I would put the injectors in, including, but not limited to, a large FMIC, Pump mod, tougher clutch, custom turbo, remapping of the ECU, and more informative, necessary guages. The latter of which you should also consider. Not only are they essential, but they are fun to watch /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Patience rewards. Besides, replace the entire housing and you have the originals to which you can add new nozzles (want some .313s? I can get 'em). I have a clip of a golf running them at 2002 TDIfest
Want to spank in summer and winter? This may be the way... At least that was my thought until the joker with the beretta decided that my car needed to be modified a la his front end.
Had to add this later:
And I wholeheartedly agree with Blitzoid. make sure you know what you're getting into. Single fueling mods are fairly safe, but when you start piggybacking items, that's where you actually have to start "tuning" your car. I'm running an UP chip, always have, always will. Adding injectors or a TB on top of any chip is not always recommended. You're going to pay the price for that performance somewhere, be it with a slipping clutch; excess smoke; premature turbo failure; speeding tickets; pitted pistons; excess EGTs; overboost; de-tuned chip; reduced fueling via mapping or pump mods; etc.
There's a lot to consider once you head down the road. It's all spelled out in the FAQ, but I'm sure you've read it. I was planning for a lot before I would put the injectors in, including, but not limited to, a large FMIC, Pump mod, tougher clutch, custom turbo, remapping of the ECU, and more informative, necessary guages. The latter of which you should also consider. Not only are they essential, but they are fun to watch /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I'm glad everyone agrees with me so wholeheartedly.
I can't believe that anyone "needs more power ASAP". I cannot think of any reason that a car needs to be more powerful on such a tight schedule. Dragging tomorrow with that beetle? Good for you... worth screwing up the car for 1/4mi times? Not in my book. Worth wrapping the car around a pole because you're not accustomed to so much power without the extra braking to handle it? ditto. This should never be the sort of thing to consider lightly. Adding power means you should take the whole car into consideration. That includes tires, brakes, oil, and the clutch, for starters. I'd be especially concerned with the tires and the brakes. All that power isn't worth squat if you can't stop when you need to. Safety first.
Anyone can make a car go really fast in a straight line, given enough money, or recklessness. Controlling that power, and delivering effective handling at the same time is the real challenge. Ditto on having that power in a car which can double as a worry-free daily driver. If you want to engage in a pissing contest, starting with a TDI beetle isn't the best idea.
Personally, when the time comes, I think i'm going to either do injectors or the chip, but not both. I'm pretty content with the stock motor, in terms of power. Sure there are times I wish it had a little more zip, but i'll deal.
I'm thinking either a stage 1 chip from some company, which will get torque output around 190, or pp520s (the same) or maybe only pp357s (around 170.) I'd much rather have a little more power and no trouble than a lot more power and a lot of headache. If you're not going to be responsible about it, don't mod the car. If you do anyway, stay away from NYC. I don't want you driving near me. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I can't believe that anyone "needs more power ASAP". I cannot think of any reason that a car needs to be more powerful on such a tight schedule. Dragging tomorrow with that beetle? Good for you... worth screwing up the car for 1/4mi times? Not in my book. Worth wrapping the car around a pole because you're not accustomed to so much power without the extra braking to handle it? ditto. This should never be the sort of thing to consider lightly. Adding power means you should take the whole car into consideration. That includes tires, brakes, oil, and the clutch, for starters. I'd be especially concerned with the tires and the brakes. All that power isn't worth squat if you can't stop when you need to. Safety first.
Anyone can make a car go really fast in a straight line, given enough money, or recklessness. Controlling that power, and delivering effective handling at the same time is the real challenge. Ditto on having that power in a car which can double as a worry-free daily driver. If you want to engage in a pissing contest, starting with a TDI beetle isn't the best idea.
Personally, when the time comes, I think i'm going to either do injectors or the chip, but not both. I'm pretty content with the stock motor, in terms of power. Sure there are times I wish it had a little more zip, but i'll deal.
I'm thinking either a stage 1 chip from some company, which will get torque output around 190, or pp520s (the same) or maybe only pp357s (around 170.) I'd much rather have a little more power and no trouble than a lot more power and a lot of headache. If you're not going to be responsible about it, don't mod the car. If you do anyway, stay away from NYC. I don't want you driving near me. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
TDI Believer
Responsible For Global Warming
Other than needing a new clutch (I'm assuming yours is a 5 spd) you'll be fine with injectors and a chip as long as you don't seriously abuse the car. If you plan to dump the clutch and floor it for drag races, you'll want to invest in a Quaife. All that torque can cause some serious wheel hop. Stiffer springs and struts are a good idea too.
If you're not going to abuse it too badly, go with the chip first, the injectors next, followed shortly thereafter with a VR6 clutch. These are tough little cars. The weak spots are the clutch and the rivets on the ring gear in the differential.
Rich
If you're not going to abuse it too badly, go with the chip first, the injectors next, followed shortly thereafter with a VR6 clutch. These are tough little cars. The weak spots are the clutch and the rivets on the ring gear in the differential.
Rich
VelvetFoot
Top Post Dawg
Like putting all the mods possible on a TDI will possibly make it so dangerously fast! lol.
trae
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It's not a TB or injectors but if $$ is a factor check out rocketchip.com; for $175 you can get about the same power increase as with a TB or injectors
used nozzles aren't all that common, when people get them, they usually don't part with them afterwards. They're not all that expensive. Power mods are worth doing right, if they're going to be done at all. Don't skimp on quality for the sake of saving a few bucks, you'll pay dearly for it later. This is the engine you're talking about modding. It's kind of a vehicle-critical part, you know?