How to get 200 WHP

ok i see alot of threads asking this . so maybe everyone with 200 HP at the wheels can post . How about it? Lets post our dynos and list the cost if you can. Like 11mm pump...1500 $
Ill go first. if the big dawgs can chime in like oliver and jeff and devon it would be cool.

2004 silver jetta PD 100
Alligator tuned by Q-loader------925
RACE INJECTORS ------------1090--(but you dont need race ones they are a little bit of an overkill)
EURO JET INTERCOOLER--------849
Spec stage 2+ clutch----------638
VR6 axels---------------------150
Hammerhead turbo SV 1856 ---1458
3 Bar Map--------------------90
Long runner intake manifold----949+ OMI ---162
boost control valve
boost guage
AEM cold air intake with dryfilter element---190
exhaust--------------------------100
Total= 6601
give me a min. to get the prices

I have a 2006 5 speed BRM TDI Jetta. 100HP stock.


Here's a link to my dyno sheet, I have: 201.51HP 352.06ft.lbs.
PD150 Injectors from KermaTDI
S/T 3B turbo from Street Toys
Alligator tune with a Q-Loader
3" dual exhaust by JSP

And a lot of pink stickers. (Which are good for about 3 extra HP)

....or you could purchase a new BMW 335d and have an extra 65 ponies too!

NFSTDI said:

....or you could purchase a new BMW 335d and have an extra 65 ponies too!

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That would cost 8000 to 15000 more and not get 40 mpg

Ben do you actually get 40mpg? I can beat on my car and still get 40 but I am 20hp shy of 200.

Well, I figure I might as well list my $hit up here whether people want to acknowledge my car or not.

Of course the advantage I have is that I sourced a lot of this stuff before it was readily available and before it was made into a pretty, easy-to-install kit. This saved me a lot of money in comparison, although the fabrication and installation involved kind of negated that all.

11mm pump - $450 CDN (sold my 10mm pump for $550 US)
Race 520's - $435 US
GT2052 (VNT20) - $400 US (used - bought from another member - sold my VNT15 for $500 US)
Custom Alligator tune - I cannot disclose this at this time.
Custom fabricated intake/exhaust setup

Even if the correction factor used by the dyno operator for atmoshperic correction is removed, my car still dyno'd at 220hp and 300tq.

*edited to add dyno graph

Do you have the graph?

KROUT said:

Ben do you actually get 40mpg? I can beat on my car and still get 40 but I am 20hp shy of 200.

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Yea I stay from 38 to 42. I can get 45 to 48 on an all hwy trip. I cruise at 75 to 80 MPH

Ed's TDI said:

Well, I figure I might as well list my $hit up here whether people want to acknowledge my car or not.

Of course the advantage I have is that I sourced a lot of this stuff before it was readily available and before it was made into a pretty, easy-to-install kit. This saved me a lot of money in comparison, although the fabrication and installation involved kind of negated that all.

11mm pump - $450 CDN (sold my 10mm pump for $550 US)
Race 520's - $435 US
GT2052 (VNT20) - $400 US (used - bought from another member - sold my VNT15 for $500 US)
Custom Alligator tune - I cannot disclose this at this time.
Custom fabricated intake/exhaust setup

Even if the correction factor used by the dyno operator for atmoshperic correction is removed, my car still dyno'd at 220hp and 300tq.

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Intercooler? clutch?

Holy crap $6501 Ben? On a TDI? Just to get 200hp? That seems like a lot, especially given the PD can easily make more power than my old ALH.

All you need for a VE car is a 11 or 12mm pump, large nozzles, lift pump, open up the exhaust, and get a turbo that can pump enough air. Intake is not even that important, as I did 204hp(Pure diesel--as this seems to be a big point to some, 224hp with water meth) with the stock long block, intake manifold and airbox.

PD is even easier. Larger injectors and turbo upgrade.

bencarr23 said:

ok i see alot of threads asking this . so maybe everyone with 200 HP at the wheels can post . How about it? .

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I'd love to but I have one small problem! I'm pushing over 5 times that and I don't have wheels

RACE INJECTORS ------------1090 You can get PD 150's for cheaper
Spec stage 2+ clutch----------638
VR6 axels---------------------150
Hammerhead turbo SV 1856 ---1458
3 Bar Map--------------------90

3426 + 300 for a tune 3726 the rest is just being nice to the car you know cold air. equal air to the chambers and what not. More for what is to come. I will have the none SAE #'s which will be higher tomorrow. I wont guess by how much though.

TdiRacing said:

Holy crap $6501 Ben? On a TDI? Just to get 200hp? That seems like a lot, especially given the PD can easily make more power than my old ALH.

All you need for a VE car is a 11 or 12mm pump, large nozzles, lift pump, open up the exhaust, and get a turbo that can pump enough air. Intake is not even that important, as I did 204hp(Pure diesel--as this seems to be a big point to some, 224hp with water meth) with the stock long block, intake manifold and airbox.

PD is even easier. Larger injectors and turbo upgrade.

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You have a stock clutch and stock intercooler and stock tune and stock axels?? 30 psi on the stock intercooler why not just rout it straight to the intake its about the same thing.

Ben are you running stock exhaust?

thank you . No ill correct it.

Ed's TDI said:

Well, I figure I might as well list my $hit up here whether people want to acknowledge my car or not.

Of course the advantage I have is that I sourced a lot of this stuff before it was readily available and before it was made into a pretty, easy-to-install kit. This saved me a lot of money in comparison, although the fabrication and installation involved kind of negated that all.

11mm pump - $450 CDN (sold my 10mm pump for $550 US)
Race 520's - $435 US
GT2052 (VNT20) - $400 US (used - bought from another member - sold my VNT15 for $500 US)
Custom Alligator tune - I cannot disclose this at this time.
Custom fabricated intake/exhaust setup

Even if the correction factor used by the dyno operator for atmoshperic correction is removed, my car still dyno'd at 220hp and 300tq.

*edited to add dyno graph

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That has to be the weirdest dyno . why such a HUGE correction? was it 100 deg?? if you only have 220Hp im not sure i would like to drive it . Its 3300 RPM till you have 150 HP with the correction. I have 150 almost 1000 RPM's b4 . You still have 200HP but dang man do you drive in the high RPM range??

bencarr23 said:

That has to be the weirdest dyno . why such a HUGE correction? was it 100 deg?? if you only have 220Hp im not sure i would like to drive it . Its 3300 RPM till you have 150 HP with the correction. I have 150 almost 1000 RPM's b4 . You still have 200HP but dang man do you drive in the high RPM range??

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no more 40MPG Relining all times

bencarr23 said:

That has to be the weirdest dyno . why such a HUGE correction? was it 100 deg?? if you only have 220Hp im not sure i would like to drive it . Its 3300 RPM till you have 150 HP with the correction. I have 150 almost 1000 RPM's b4 . You still have 200HP but dang man do you drive in the high RPM range??

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The actuator was not controlling the vnt mechanism when the car was dyno'd. We basically manually set the vanes so max boost was 28 psi, so basically the turbo took some time to spool up but once it did .... WHOOAA!!

The car has since had the actuator set up and will be getting a re-tune as soon as it's back on the road (it's been uninsured and of the road for the winter, plus it's getting a new stainess 3" exhaust setup). I'll be getting it re-dyno'd after it's all done ... and not at Kinetic.

keep us posted.

Now lets see some impressive track times with those beasts !!!

11mm pump+12mm head+other mods and a lift pump.
R520 nozzles
SDI intake and 3" exhaust(loud and rattling)
chineese FMIC 300X450X76mm
Modified stock airbox with 3" pipe from box to turbo
larger maf
Custom GT2256v turbo with 56mm compressor and IIRC 46.5mm turbine
Ported head with stock size valves.
Regrind cam with 1mm more lift on both and 20degrees more on the exhaust.
Custom ,ugly as hell, exhaust manifold
Valeo clutch set with a sintered disc instead of the organic. Clutch slipped and when I dissasabled it the damages were enourmous. Like 1.5mm shaved of from the flywheel and 3mm from the preasure plate.

And heres the dyno:

I'm with Oliver on this one.
That is a buttload of dinero to get where your at. (Ben, Nice numbers though, hehe)
To make 200hp on a dyno, not on the street, as that requires more, i'm talking the ability to put down dyno numbers, so it's only power stuff and a clutch.
I think for an ALH it can be done for ~$2500. This is not counting selling off your stock parts. And this is obviously not paying retail for "new" parts, and doing alot of tinkering yourself.

If you think you can get 200 hp with an alh for 2500 you are very wrong. How about you double that then try. Just the turbo and tune with cost 2500. Then you need a very strong clutch, 11mm pump,nozzles, front mount. 2500 might get you 150 to 160.

why the heck does a turbo and tune have to cost $2500 ??
If you're in a hurry, and you want 100% bolt-ons, then your gunna pay for that.
Then yes I can easily see spending $5000, also remember I'm talking NOT a street 200hp car, i'm talking a dyno queen.
Nozzles, inj pump, tuning, turbo, clutch, and FMIC, is what I'm concidering as NEEDED items to get 200hp. If theres some other item you think is needed let me know, and i'll adjust my thinking and total slightly.
EDIT: to add exhaust, it is needed also.
EDIT 2: I will adjust my total as of now to $2750

either way you can not do it for 2500 on an alh. The 11mm pump alone will cost 1100.

Lets see

11mm pump 1100 used 600
cheap turbo 1500 unless you go waste gated 1000
tune 300 to 400
good race nozzles 350 or more
custome down pipe for cheap turbo 200
custom pipes for cheap turbo 100 or more

Thats goes well past 2500 easy. Whats your cheap 200hp please share with us because we all want to know. Unless your buying all used parts you can not do it for 2500.


A dyno queen is useless if you can not use the power on the street or the track.

Ed's TDI said:

11mm pump - $450 CDN
Race 520's - $435 US
GT2052 (VNT20) - $400 US
Custom Alligator tune - I cannot disclose this at this time.
Custom fabricated intake/exhaust setup

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Add this up and tell me where you get $5000 ???
IF he paid 1000 for tuning and 1000 for custom intake and exhasut,
That's still only $3285 (ignoring exchange rates)

Used parts for performance is a crap shoot at best. So whats your 200 hp. And how much did he pay Jsp to fabricate everything? I bet he spent well over the 3285.

If it was a easy as 2500 everybody here would have 200hp. So far I have seen 3 or 4 with 200hp and they all spent more than 2500.

If you have the ability to fabricate your own parts it still cant be done for 2500.

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Do you have a drill press, a die grinder, a 110v MIG, a computer hooked to the internet, and a credit card for which to purchase things on the internet ?
Are your fab skills enough to make one adapter, and a fabbed-up straight pipe exhaust ? And if you can fab your own exhaust, then i'm assuming you can fab your own FMIC piping.
If the above is true, then your already there, you just don't know it yet.
Keep in mind that we're not doing anything now that europe hasn't done 3 years ago, we (NA tdi'ers) just didn't pay attention. (Yes, i know they have better fuel)

Oliver already proved that stock air box, stock head, stock cam, with a FMIC can make 200hp. So that's unnecessary, excluding the FMIC.

Ebay FMIC kit - Fab required of course - $200 - add in a extra bent pipe or two, or extra silicon - $100. Welding consumables - $50.

So continuing with the fab, the exhaust, I did my own 2.5" straight pipe on my mk3 Jetta for less than $150. So we'll add in welding consumables to get $200.

Ben just proved that a stock log exhaust manifold can make 200hp (even though it's bored out to fit the larger turbine). So lets pick up a used AHU manifold on which to bolt our fancy turbo. Searched tdiclub in 07 one sold for 60.... So, $100.

Oliver has a vnt2056 for sale for $350, here...
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=201026&highlight=2056
Homemade adapter plate, to mate to AHU manifold, made with drill press and die grinder, $50.

Above Ed paid 450 CAD, for a used 11mm pump, that's currently working for him, ignoring exchange rates, ~$500.

VR6 Clutch, flywheel, PP, bolts, new in box $350 (have tuner tune out some low end torque)
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=194998&highlight=FS+VR6+clutch

RACE520's $435 Kermatdi
http://www.kermatdi.com/servlet/Detail?category=Bosio+TDI+Nozzles+%2796-%2703&no=22&searchpath=5950835

Subtotal = $2,335

$2750 - $2335 = $415

So in 15 minutes we just hit everything needed, with $415 left over for tuning. Which I know is a tad low, but i was rounding "UP" on everything else there.

KROUT said:

Used parts for performance is a crap shoot at best. So whats your 200 hp. And how much did he pay Jsp to fabricate everything? I bet he spent well over the 3285.

If it was a easy as 2500 everybody here would have 200hp. So far I have seen 3 or 4 with 200hp and they all spent more than 2500.

If you have the ability to fabricate your own parts it still cant be done for 2500.

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And the tab is still adding up!! I've got another bill for the soon-to-be-completed custom 3" turbo-back stainless steel exhaust setup!