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Old October 27th, 2016, 09:54   #16
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If they're stuck "in port", that sounds like they haven't finished the importation process and could still be sent elsewhere.
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Old October 27th, 2016, 11:07   #17
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Except that the only ways they're leaving the country are either fixed, or scrunched up into little bales of scrap metal.
That may be correct, I haven't read the documentation, but it's illogical to think that if this is the case that these vehicles will be anything other than scrap after they're taken back. Financially it's too expensive to fix / refit these to be complaint, I would expect them to all go away one way or another.

I will say though that if VW anticipated exporting all of the cars repurchased it seems excessive for the EPA to mandate that they be US complaint before they depart for another location. They might already be complaint depending on where they're going or the new destination might not care.

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If they're stuck "in port", that sounds like they haven't finished the importation process and could still be sent elsewhere.
This may be true for the new ones that weren't allowed in to the US. I would have thought that the first sign of trouble about this that VW would have loaded them back up and sent them elsewhere, but apparently that didn't happen.

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Old October 27th, 2016, 12:24   #18
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Since these cars are on US soil, they have to comply with US regulations before they can go anywhere. That's why VW couldn't just throw them back on the ship. In addition to the emissions needing to be complaint with both EPA and the receiving country, the saftey requirements can be (probably are) different. This could be a much more expensive under taking than reprogramming the ECUs on these cars. Remember, these are all 15 (and possibly a few 16s) and the speculation is that these will need an ECU tweak to start with and then another adjustment later.
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Old October 28th, 2016, 15:12   #19
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I work part time at a national auto auction. At the specific auction I work at there are at least 1600 vw cars being stored. I believe they are '15 & '16 gas and diesel cars. Again only storing. There are 90 plus auction locations.

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Old November 1st, 2016, 09:24   #20
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This I didn't know. I do agree with you, its a complete waste of resources......unless they (VW) already know that a fix is possible.
Is the definition of "destroy" going to be crushing, or just the 3 inch hole in the engine blocks?
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Old November 1st, 2016, 20:09   #21
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Is the definition of "destroy" going to be crushing, or just the 3 inch hole in the engine blocks?
... and what would the difference be?

If there is a 3 inch hole in the engine block (and by the way, nothing in the consent decree requires them to do that! - it is the ECU and the DPF and the LNT that have to be rendered inoperative, not the engine itself) the rest of the car is headed for the recyclers.

There is nothing in the consent decree that stops VW from stripping and selling useful parts from these cars - just not the ECU and not any of the emission control components.

What will limit the usefulness of that course of action ... is the enormous oversupply of all non-engine-related parts that this would cause. It isn't cost-effective to strip and save ALL of the useful parts from ALL of the bought-back cars - most of them would end up never being bought anyhow.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 10:23   #22
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 15:39   #23
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this story, with the speculated need for DEF system in the 2009-2014 cars with NSC, ignores the proposed fix for gen 1 cars outlined by VW in January, and described in the draft we saw in June.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/871306/download see page 92

this is consistent with video recently posted, lifted from Audi training sites.

(not "yet" approved, but consistent)

looking again at this, the detection of particulates from the DPFs that tend to crack is included....
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Old December 24th, 2018, 17:54   #24
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Last week I was at Quonset Point in Rhode Island and saw hundreds of VW diesels in a large fenced in lot. This area is a shipping and receiving port, as there were hundreds of new cars there also. My guess is that the diesels are to be shipped out.
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Old December 26th, 2018, 06:00   #25
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BS. They are selling them at Dealers Auction, two largest dealers Auctions being Manheim, and Adessa!!!!!!!!
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Old December 26th, 2018, 08:40   #26
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Old January 1st, 2019, 08:00   #27
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Scrap iron prices are improving. A good scrap yard uses a crusher to flatten cars into pancakes.
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Old January 2nd, 2019, 01:43   #28
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Scrap iron prices are improving. A good scrap yard uses a crusher to flatten cars into pancakes.
Literally worthless.

My local scrap yard is now paying 4 cents per pound for iron/steel.
You can bring a literal ton of steel in and walk away with $120.

Or...you can bring in about 50lb of copper for the same $$$.
Scrap iron is a joke.
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Old January 3rd, 2019, 19:55   #29
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I just met someone in Millbank, Ontario,Canada that makes his living cutting up old cars for scrap iron. It's not get rich scheme that's for sure.
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Old January 3rd, 2019, 20:33   #30
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2000alh you are right about scrap metal being worthless. The problem with high scrap prices is that you have druggies pulling up man hole covers and selling them for scrap.
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