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Old July 10th, 2008, 11:49   #1
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Default 2009 Tiguan: First Drive (CR)

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...irst-drive.htm

Summary: Consumer Reports likes the Tiguan overall, but thinks it's a little pricey.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 06:54   #2
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I think most drivers will eek out just a little more than 20mpg overall!
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Old July 11th, 2008, 07:38   #3
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Too much money! Imagine how much it will be with a TDI. I guess I will be getting the new Jetta TDI.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 08:13   #4
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I think most drivers will eek out just a little more than 20mpg overall!
I keep saying use the CR economy numbers for comparison purposes. CR says it will get the same mileage as the new Forester and a little less than a Rav 4.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 08:54   #5
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Nice job Consumer Reports of not mentioning the tdi version of the Tiguan coming out very shortly which will achieve the best fuel mileage of any SUV/CUV. They just love diesels, don't they? As far as pricey goes, they got the most expensive model with all the bells and whistles so of course it will be pricey. I expect the tdi version to come in around $27,000. This seems to be a fair price considering it will have no true competition when the tdi arrives. By the way, all other test drives and consumer reviews have rated it far above average.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 09:26   #6
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Nice job Consumer Reports of not mentioning the tdi version of the Tiguan coming out very shortly which will achieve the best fuel mileage of any SUV/CUV.
If you have a firm VW press release on that, please post it to news. Last I heard it was, wasn't, was, wasn't, was and wasn't coming to the US. Sorry that Consumer Reports doesn't report rumors. Sorry that they don't rate cars that they can't buy off the lot.

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They just love diesels, don't they?
Yeah boy they really trashed the E320 Bluetec didn't they? And the 06 Jetta TDI, and the 02 Golf TDI. Oh wait - THEY DIDN'T.

Traveling First Class at 31 mpg.

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I expect the tdi version to come in around $27,000. This seems to be a fair price considering it will have no true competition when the tdi arrives.
Assuming the Tiguan TDI actually arrives. If you have news please post it.

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By the way, all other test drives and consumer reviews have rated it far above average.
Most test drives and reviews rate any car above average. Car and Driver, Consumers Digest and Road and Track all live in an automobile Lake Wobegon. What, exactly, did CR say was bad about the car? Did you even read the review?

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Old July 11th, 2008, 11:02   #7
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Too much money! Imagine how much it will be with a TDI.
Not to worry, I doubt we'll see it soon, if at all. Tiguan TDI is selling so well in Europe, factory is already working overtime to meet the demand. They don't have the capacity to make enough the for US market, and with the dollar exchange rates as they are, they likely don't have much interest either.
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Not to worry, I doubt we'll see it soon, if at all. Tiguan TDI is selling so well in Europe, factory is already working overtime to meet the demand. They don't have the capacity to make enough the for US market, and with the dollar exchange rates as they are, they likely don't have much interest either.
Unfortunately you're probably right. There's no cert posted for it on CARB, so we certainly won't see it this year.

As for pricing if it were sold over here, consider how the JSW TDI is priced. The TDI is its own trimline, roughly equipped like SE "plus". If the Tiguan is marketed the same way, expect $31,000 and more.

Showing my work,

Tiguan SE + 4-Motion (who buys a 2WD SUV?): $28,875
Destination Charge: $650
Diesel engine additional cost: $1,500

Baseline Tiguan TDI 4-Motion: $31,025

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Old July 11th, 2008, 11:55   #9
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I wonder if autobloggreen.com, winding road magazine and left hand news are all wrong in mentioning that the Tiguan tdi is likely just not this year.
Consumer Reports on the 2006 Jetta: "the rear seat is tight", "slow with the automatic", "subpar reliability" , "sounds a bit coarse when revved", "clatters at idle", "a sharp low-beam cutoff reduces visibility over dips", "automatic transmission is smooth but not as responsive as we would like", "the center console intrudes on knee room, and the large roof pillars and head restraints create blind spots" , "drivers confused the cruise-control and turn-signal stalks", "The center-rear head restraint does not provide adequate whiplash protection", "rear-facing infant-seat bases may be difficult to secure". This was just one model test drive with all the accolades. And you guessed it, the VW Jetta was not recommended.
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Now the 2009 Tiguan according to Consumer Reports. First, I guess they do report on "rumors": "It arrives first with the familiar 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder, and a diesel version arrives later."But potential buyers might be in for a bit of sticker shock", "fuel economy is not a strong point", "cargo area is modest", "expensive" and this was all determined on a First Drive not a full road test review. Compare with their beloved Honda CR-V, "Fuel economy is good at 21 mpg overall" yet they complained about the 20 mpg overall returned on the Tiguan. CR often uses praise (positive adjectives) to describe the Hondas and Toyotas yet uses demeaning (negative adjectives) to describe VWs and many american makes and models.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 12:23   #11
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I wonder if autobloggreen.com, winding road magazine and left hand news are all wrong in mentioning that the Tiguan tdi is likely just not this year.
You mean like they were wrong about the Accord diesel?

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Consumer Reports on the 2006 Jetta: "the rear seat is tight", "slow with the automatic", "subpar reliability" , "sounds a bit coarse when revved", "clatters at idle", "a sharp low-beam cutoff reduces visibility over dips", "automatic transmission is smooth but not as responsive as we would like", "the center console intrudes on knee room, and the large roof pillars and head restraints create blind spots" , "drivers confused the cruise-control and turn-signal stalks", "The center-rear head restraint does not provide adequate whiplash protection", "rear-facing infant-seat bases may be difficult to secure". This was just one model test drive with all the accolades. And you guessed it, the VW Jetta was not recommended.
Stop cherrypicking and lying. Consumer reports recommends the Jetta due to improved reliability. It rated the car very good overall, near the top of the compact class. Here's its summary - note the mention of the new TDI:

"The Jetta has a nicely finished interior, and rear-seat room is generous. Handling is agile, and the ride is fairly comfortable. The five-cylinder engine is noisy when revved and returned a middling 24 mpg overall. A new cleaner, more modern CRD (common rail diesel) diesel version returns for 2009 and will be available in all 50 states. It should exceed the 34 mpg we got in the previous Jetta diesel. Stability control is standard on most trim levels. IIHS crash-test results are impressive. Reliability of the turbo has been below average, but the 2.5-liter's is average. A wagon version is newly available."

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CR often uses praise (positive adjectives) to describe the Hondas and Toyotas yet uses demeaning (negative adjectives) to describe VWs and many american makes and models.
You mean like the Toyota FJ Cruiser review?

"Visibility is horrendous", "clumsy handling", "disconcerting at its limits", Constant exhaust noise is tiresome", "ungainly", "the nose dives dramatically when you brake", "dark, cave-like interior", "Once in the uncomfortable seats, it's a long reach to close the heavy door."

Quite the praise.

What about that Tiguan review again?

"Capable, pleasant and well-finished", "agile handling, refined interior, and smooth, punchy powertrain", "well crafted, with a roomy and luxurious interior, comfortable and quiet ride, and sporting character", "prompt steering response and well-controlled body lean"

How demeaning! Mommy, they're being mean to my car!

It's not just that you're a liar. It's that you're so bad at it.
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Wow jvance, what did donfromnaples do to make you so angry in your retorts to his posts? Is there some history we're not aware of?
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Wow jvance, what did donfromnaples do to make you so angry in your retorts to his posts? Is there some history we're not aware of?
I hate it when people repeat lies and propaganda with an air of certainty in the face of easily checked facts.

It's in certain manufacturer's interest to get the "CR is biased" whisper campaign out there. The alternative would be to actually improve their products, and that would take money and effort. Ironically VW is not one of those manufacturers, because CR consistently gives its cars high test scores. It's the historically poor reliability that drags it down, and even then CR shows improving reliability for the 5-cylinder Jettas (now above average for '07s)

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I'm definitely not a CR basher. In fact, my wife subscribes to their online account. We often go with their recommendations on some items. We've had good luck with a digital camera, a vacuum cleaner, and a refrigerator that they recommended, just off the top of my head.

It can't be denied, though, that CR, at least in the past, has had an agenda in their ratings. Their obvious big black eye was the manipulated testing of the Suzuki Samurai, where the drivers just couldn't get it to flip, but a very demanding director made them invent manevers that had never been tried before to finally forcefully get a tip to complete the hit piece for the magazine.


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Suzuki charges that at this point Landau threatened his testing staff, saying, "If you can't find someone to roll this car, I will!" David Pittle, CU's technical director, tried nine times to roll the car over without success. He finally succeeded in getting it to tip up by turning the car so sharply that it went off the test course. A video shows onlookers cheering and yelling, "Yeah!" One said , "I think I got that, I think I got that."
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