Black Dung Beetle
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I just looked at some more tire reviews and it looks like the General Altimax Actic is the same tire as the Nokian Hakkapeliita 5. yet sold at half the price.
Winter Tires : Nokian vs Gislaved
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i just bought some Artics and the tread pattern seems very very similar to the Nokians. I have some Hakka 5s for our other car and will take pics after I pick up the new Generals.
ChuChu
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Anyone getting the General Altimax Arctic's studded? I'm thinking of going this route but curious how noisy they are.
Swatch
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Is it the same company? Something like Michelin and Uniroyal?
If this is true, it's a great information to know!
By the way, the Pirelli the tire guy suggested me was a "ice control" and don't think i'm goona go with that.
So the Gislaved is still my choice for now but General Altimax Actic might be a good choice if it's really a Nokian Hakka 5 because it would be cheapper thant the Gislaved!
EDIT: I Don't think the General Altimax Actic is the same tire as Nokian Hakka 5 because the Nokian is 91T (190 km/h) and the General is 91Q (160 kmh).
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I posted this earlier http://reviews.canadiantire.ca/9045...ltimax-arctic-winter-tire-reviews/reviews.htm
Conti owns Gislaved and General. General Arctic is a Nordfrost 3 rebranded for the American market.
Conti owns Gislaved and General. General Arctic is a Nordfrost 3 rebranded for the American market.
donDavide
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Continental owns General? I thought that overrated company based in France did.
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Conti bought General around 1990 or so, not sure. Easier to buy an existing distribution network than build one.
Swatch
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Would you say that the Nord frost 5 is better than Nord Frost 3/General Artic or pretty much the same thing?
EDIT : in fact, I already know that the Nord Forst 5 is a 94T and General Artic is 91Q (for my wheels) and 91Q is too low.
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Have not driven either one, but looking at photos, I'd guess the 3 is better in deep powder snow and the 5 is better on ice. That's based on the lugs and channels and amount of the tire made up of siped treadblocks.
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No, I'm leaving mine un-studded. Studs improve traction on ice, but are worse in every other way, according to my research. Studs make a tire noisier, worse traction on dry roads, and possibly worse in snowy conditions. For the conditions I drive in here in Rochester, NY, the studs would hurt me more than they would help.
20IndigoBlue02
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...not really. Blizzaks... remember there are 2 families of Blizzaks (for cars), their "Studless Snow/Ice" (WS) and "Performance Winter" (LM). (there is MZ, for special sizes though)
LM does not equal WS and vice versa.
Blizzak WS series features a multicell tube compound for the first approximately 60% of the tread depth. Once the the multicell tube compound is worn, then the harder compound is exposed & traction is reduced significantly.
Then again, no magazine runs tests with aged & worn (50% or more worn) winter tires, as all winter tires as the wear do decrease in performance. All the magazine & TireRack tests are done with brand new tires, when they are at optimal performance
.......back to OP
...the only Nokian tire I have used are the Hakka RSI. The only "Gislaved" tire I ran was General Arctic Altimax.
Carphuntin_god
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It would be interesting to find out if while these tires look the same, the rubber compound is different (causing the price diff.)
My Hakkepalitta Q"s seem ok. Nokian won't give me an answer on start tread depth and what replacement tread depth is (I've asked this questions and others of their US support person, and rarely get a decent...or even informed... answer).
My Hakkepalitta Q"s seem ok. Nokian won't give me an answer on start tread depth and what replacement tread depth is (I've asked this questions and others of their US support person, and rarely get a decent...or even informed... answer).
740GLE
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Usually there is a second wear bar on winter tires that denote even though they are not even close to 2/32" of tread left, they should still be replaced for maximum traction in snow.
20IndigoBlue02
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basically less than 4mm tread depth is when they are toast, based on the DSI (Q's may not have DSI though)
Also, another clue is... when the tire is worn so much, there is very little to no siping left
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vw_sportwagen_mn
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Just ordered a set of Nokian Hakkepalitta R (205 55 R16) for my '10 JSW. I found that the dealer closest to work had the best deal, prices varied by over $100. The tires should be in next week, but I'm going to hold off on having them mounted on the TDI for 4-6 weeks. I hope Minneapolis gets some snow this winter to justify the expense.
tedkidd
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Had those on a Saab 9000t. Could plow snow with em. Was 15 years ago. Not sure there isn't some new lates greatest tech.
Marisa05MKIV
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How many miles did people get out of the General Arctics aka Gislaved Nordfrost 3?
red16vdub
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I put a new set on my B4 Passat last fall. I drove 5072 miles on them. Mostly city miles and I drive hard. They started at 10 mil and the fronts were at 7 and the rears at 8 when I took them off. It was a mild winter and there were lots of bare roads. I got 22k on the last set. They were at 3-4 mil when I replaced them. A couple snowy winters in there. I think if you drive like a normal person (I don't) you can expect 20-25k from a set. I might add, I turned a set of Blizzaks into slicks in a little over 10k miles. My wife got 30k from a set.
Marisa05MKIV
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Thanks. I see some people claim 60k, I got mine with 12/32.
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donDavide
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I have one were I got 5 seasons on front, move to the back and still great for that ( got a flat in 2011 so that's why it is one, had to replace)General Altimax Artics