IndigoBlueWagon
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The BMW 5 Series is sold in Europe with a 4 cylinder diesel. Top speed close to 150 MPH, I recall. The didn't offer it here.
Mercedes E250 Bluetec
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ssamalin
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They're both great cars. If you want to push it hard get the BMW. If you want that 4cyl, bi-turbo larger car option, there is only one, the MB E250 Bluetec.
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PeteZ06
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Dimensions...
Length
E250 192.1"
535D 193.4"
Width
E250 73"
535D 73"
Height
E250 57"
535D 57"
Wheelbase
E250 113.2"
535D 116.9"
Front Shoulder Room
E250 57.8"
535D 58.3"
Front Head Room
E250 37.9"
535D 40.5"
Front Leg Room
E250 41.3"
535D 41.4"
Not really true
ssamalin
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Yes it's true for 4cyl, bi-turbo diesel in a larger car than a BMW 3 series. What is this about? I said I hope you enjoy your new ride and I meant it. How's that new rocket of yours?Dimensions...
Length
E250 192.1"
535D 193.4"
Width
E250 73"
535D 73"
Height
E250 57"
535D 57"
Wheelbase
E250 113.2"
535D 116.9"
Front Shoulder Room
E250 57.8"
535D 58.3"
Front Head Room
E250 37.9"
535D 40.5"
Front Leg Room
E250 41.3"
535D 41.4"
Not really true
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PeteZ06
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Ah.. I see what you meant... you're totally right.... MB definitely is the only one in North America that offers a 4 cyl diesel in a full size car... Sorry I thought you were saying the E class is larger than the 5 class.
I'm really enjoying the 5.
The E320 CDI is now up in WI.. some guy drove down 4 hours to pick it up. What a great car that was!!
I'm really enjoying the 5.
The E320 CDI is now up in WI.. some guy drove down 4 hours to pick it up. What a great car that was!!
ssamalin
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I doubt that. BMW moved the 4cyl diesel to the 3 series in 2014 because the 5 series needed the 6 cyl to handle properly. Or am I wrong? I don't see a word about a 2014 or later 4cyl 5 series on the car reviews.
IndigoBlueWagon
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These are the diesels offered in the new 5 Series in Europe:
Diesel
520d – 2.0-litre B47 4-cyl, 190hp, 400Nm
525d – 2.0-litre B47 4-cyl, 231hp, 500Nm
530d – 3.0-litre B57 6-cyl, 265hp, 620Nm
540d xDrive – 3.0-litre B57 6-cyl, 320hp, 680Nm
M550d xDrive – 3.0-litre B57 6-cyl, 400hp, 760Nm
We get our own version of the 540d here. X-Drive, but with the same engine (more or less) as in the 530d in Europe.
Diesel
520d – 2.0-litre B47 4-cyl, 190hp, 400Nm
525d – 2.0-litre B47 4-cyl, 231hp, 500Nm
530d – 3.0-litre B57 6-cyl, 265hp, 620Nm
540d xDrive – 3.0-litre B57 6-cyl, 320hp, 680Nm
M550d xDrive – 3.0-litre B57 6-cyl, 400hp, 760Nm
We get our own version of the 540d here. X-Drive, but with the same engine (more or less) as in the 530d in Europe.
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ssamalin
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Wow. Not here then? Why you do that. I'll have the 525d. After I test drive it and read the reviews that is. It seems to be manual only. So when BMW brings it here with an auto-trans and CARB compliance we can see how the 4 cyl does. Should be good, it's fast, 0-60 is 6.something second with the manual in the Euro, we just will never know. So no, there is no 4cyl 5 series to compare with the E250BT, can the 4 cyl carry the 5 series? We'll never know.
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Dangerous_Dan
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If you are looking for a new car with a diesel the Jaguar XF is also available.Can't speak for the XF, but my XE has been a wonderful vehicle.
ssamalin
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Yea I'd be looking, but MB won't bring one of those 220d with the 4cyl over here.
Dangerous_Dan
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Not quite a Mercedes... better.
That car is a Jaguar. Both the XE and the XF come with a diesel, as does the F-Pace "cross over type thingy".
That car is a Jaguar. Both the XE and the XF come with a diesel, as does the F-Pace "cross over type thingy".
ssamalin
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It's an underpowered Ford.
oilhammer
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That is not true.
The current XE platform came about in 2014, 6 years after Ford's involvement with the brand, and the new engines are from the Ingenium design segment, of which Ford has no part, that came about in 2015.
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We have a 2017 XE 2.0d premium and love it. Wonderful car, so far, that handles like a real sports car (Miata and Porsche come to mind) with a purring little diesel that can.
Oh, and it gets 48 mpg overall.
TM
Oh, and it gets 48 mpg overall.
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Dangerous_Dan
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The first few years of the gasoline engine XE used a modified Ford engine. The diesels were a clean sheet design from the start. And the 2018 gasoline XE uses an engine based on the diesel block.
Tin Man:
glad to hear that my XE is not the only one yielding that kind of fuel economy.
Tin Man:
glad to hear that my XE is not the only one yielding that kind of fuel economy.
PeteZ06
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Thats impressive!!
I checked out the XE... I like the exterior.... interior felt blah to me.
ssamalin
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A reputation no longer deserved in the era of electric power steering. BMWs haven't had better steering and handling since microchips in cars.
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Except with BMW LCI, at least 2014 onward f10 steering and handling are significantly and perceptibly better. I don't think much of the numb 2 series, but LCI for the 3 series is also better.
Sure there's electric steering, but I believe Mercedes lost its way with the W212, but like others' opinions, they are cheap and everyone's got one.
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ssamalin
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Not Ford, just underpowered:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-jaguar-xe-20d-awd-tested-review
ssamalin
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No, the Jag is the 20d. The new Merc E Class diesel in Europe is the 220d. It is the new generation of the 4 cyl Bluetec, and I'd be the first one to get it if it came here.
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IndigoBlueWagon
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One thing I like about the 335d is it has hydraulic power steering. Most enthusiasts agree that electric power steering is a step down in feel compared to hydraulic. I agree.
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Having owned a W211 in-line 6 turbodiesel, the W212 was a letdown with a V6 diesel and questionable styling compared to the jewel-like W211. They knew they messed up, especially with problems associated with the V6, so the inline 4 was OK, but not like the inline six W211.
There were other problems, but its water under the bridge. Now we are treated to the "iPad stuck on the dashboard look" in most MB cars.
Just an opinion, like everyone has.
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I felt it was too stiff, but would not sell the car just for that. I do agree that the e90 suspension was "under-developed" for daily use in sport package mode, due to tire wear, suspension alignment issues, and the diesel 6 problems in the e90 that seem to have gone away in the f10. The e90 sport package was great on the track, though.
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I agree the steering is on the heavy side. I adjust to it, but I do notice it when I switch from car to car. And I think the suspension could be better, not "ultimate driving machine" in my opinion. Mine is getting Konis at some point.
What changes to the F10 do you think addressed shortcomings in the e90 engine?
Oh, and I think your assessment of the W212 is spot on. I find most current Mercedes products feel cheaper, less European, and flashier than I expect or prefer. The W211 was a high water mark for M-B, perhaps their best platform since the W124.
What changes to the F10 do you think addressed shortcomings in the e90 engine?
Oh, and I think your assessment of the W212 is spot on. I find most current Mercedes products feel cheaper, less European, and flashier than I expect or prefer. The W211 was a high water mark for M-B, perhaps their best platform since the W124.
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If you've driven one, you might conclude that the programming in the transmission needs a little work, given that 0-60 is faster than 5-60. The identical (?) type of ZF 8 speed automatic in my 535d is much tighter, responsive, and feels faster than the one in the Jag XE 2.0d.
I didn't see where C/D mentioned the sport plus mode much, which I find to be very responsive and fast enough. Didn't track the car but I wouldn't be dissuaded by the diesel 4 from doing so....
"The steering effort is lighter than our ideal, though, even in the sportiest Dynamic mode, which has only a slight effect on weight. On the positive side, this setup does make the XE feel lighter on its tires than it is. "
Its obvious from their marketing that they consider the blown thirsty V6 their "performance" option. I don't agree. MPG's are part of the "performance" of a vehicle as well as handling and feel.
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Under the hood, everything looks different, even the oil filter housing angle. I'm sure there are similar components, but given the number of 535d's in circulation now, I haven't read many complaints with the EGR, DPF, urea injection system, NOx sensors, CBU, etc. Its a heavier car and some believe problems occur less often under heavy load.
The car itself has lower power numbers for HP and torque, but even 300-400 lbs heavier it out-accelerates the 335d here in the states and mine gets significantly better fuel economy. This could of course also be from the ZF 8 speed in the f10.
The engines sound different too - the f10 has a more "diesely" sound while the e90 seemed more aggressive and lacked the clickety clack of a traditional diesel.
During the NA e90 335d production, the engine computer design and programming went through at least three major changes, making the f10 diesel seem to be a final result.
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ssamalin
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Any fuel additive mavens out there?
I survived a tank of Mobile "Synergy" diesel additive, so far at least. The blurb says its fit for any -- "aannnyy" -- modern diesel engine. It comes with the additive mixed in at the ULSD Diesel #2 pump, not like a bottle of PS. I needed to fuel up so I filled it. If I recall, MB manual (from 2013 lets say?) says don't use PS, so here I am five years later trusting Mobile not destroy a Bluetec.
I survived a tank of Mobile "Synergy" diesel additive, so far at least. The blurb says its fit for any -- "aannnyy" -- modern diesel engine. It comes with the additive mixed in at the ULSD Diesel #2 pump, not like a bottle of PS. I needed to fuel up so I filled it. If I recall, MB manual (from 2013 lets say?) says don't use PS, so here I am five years later trusting Mobile not destroy a Bluetec.
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jnecr
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No diesel you buy at the pump is pure diesel. They all have additives. This is just Mobile's marketing hype for the particular set of additives they've chosen. Your Bluetec will be fine.