PD Injector Differences

leon10tagg · Nov 18, 2011

Not sure what way to answer that.....why do you ask?

DPM · Nov 19, 2011

in all seriousness, I hadn't considered that TPS might deliver to a private address. Just an assumption.

leon10tagg · Nov 19, 2011

They deliver to my brothers business.....it suits me for certain reasons.......and its at trade price......but f you go to their trade counter and pay cash the prices are usually the same.....

DPM · Nov 19, 2011

gotcha.

Pinknoise · Nov 21, 2011

Big thanks to Torquetronics. Got the car remapped today and found a vac pump problem. £620 later for a map and then a tandem pump from TPS the car is going REALLY well.

leon10tagg · Nov 21, 2011

But what was the before and after result at TT's??

Pinknoise · Nov 22, 2011

Don't know, they don't have a 4wd Dyno.

I wasn't pulling right until the new VAC pump was fitted so a rr run would have been pointless.

leon10tagg · Nov 22, 2011

AI up in Antrim have a 4wd rr......we are hoping to have a rr day in the new year if that's any good to you?

DPM · Nov 22, 2011

ECC in Lisburn have a 4wd unit to.

Pinknoise · Nov 25, 2011

Must keep an eye out for that then.

BadAss · Nov 25, 2011

PD550 = DSLA150P1043 Nozzles 5x 0,195mm
PD520 = DSLA150P1042 Nozzles 5x 0,190mm

So slightly smaller !

Schumey · Feb 19, 2012

I have an AJM with 045 130 073 T injectors, can I run the 038 130 073 AL from the ASZ/ARL on my stock ECU without problems?

K.I.T.T. · Feb 19, 2012

Schumey said:
I have an AJM with 045 130 073 T injectors, can I run the 038 130 073 AL from the ASZ/ARL on my stock ECU without problems?

It'd work, but I suspect you'd suffer from overfuelling as the ECU won't know that it's running bigger injectors. I'd get it tuned/remapped at the same time.

Also, some of you may find this interesting / useful. MJ = Model jahre (model year) and 530er, 550er, etc is the capacity of the injectors.

Code:

038 130 073 BA -     AWX, AVF, BLT      -     530er        - 1.9TDI 130PS in Polo, Passat, A4, A6
038 130 073 BA -     ATL,               -     530er        - 1.4TDi 90PS in A2
038 130 073 AA -     ASZ, ARL           -     550er        - 1.9TDI 130 und 150PS in Polo, Golf, Bora bis MJ2001 
038 130 073 AL -     ASZ, ARL           -     550er        - 1.9TDI 130 und 150PS in Polo, Golf, Bora ab MJ2002 
038 130 073 J  -     ATD                -     425er        - 1.9TDI 100PS in Golf, NewBeetle bis MJ2001 
038 130 073 AJ -     ATD                -     425er        - 1.9TDI 100PS in Golf, NewBeetle ab MJ2002
038 130 073 AJ -     ATD                -     425er        - 1.9TDI 100PS in Polo, Bora, Passat, A3 und A4
038 130 073 F  -     AJM, AUY           -     465er        - 1.9TDI 115PS in Golf, NewBeetle bis MJ2001
038 130 073 T  -     AJM, AUY           -     465er        - 1.9TDI 115PS in Golf, NewBeetle ab MJ2002
045 130 073 T  -     AMF                -     465er        - 1.4TDI 75PS in Lupo, Polo, A2
045 130 073 T  -     AJM                -     465er        - 1.9TDI 115PS in Passat, A4, A6
045 130 073 AA -     ANY                -     360er        - 1.2TDI 61PS in Lupo, A2
03G 130 073 B/G-     BKD                -     475er        - 2.0TDI 140PS in Golf, A3, Bora, Touran
07Z 130 073 D/F-     BAC                -     520er        - 2.5TDI 174PS in T5, Touareg
07Z 130 073 D/F -    AYH                -     520er        - 5.0TDI 313PS in Phaeton, Touareg bis MJ2003
07Z 130 073 H  -     AYH                -     560er        - 5.0TDI 313PS in Phaeton, Touareg ab MJ2004

Ash

EDIT: It was a major PITA formatting that^^

Drivbiwire · Feb 19, 2012

BadAss said:
PD550 = DSLA150P1043 Nozzles 5x 0,195mm
PD520 = DSLA150P1042 Nozzles 5x 0,190mm

So slightly smaller !

Instead of looking at holes why not compare flow?

R783 (263% over stock)
PowerPlus 1043 (193% over stock)
ULSD800 (141% over stock)
BLLA 1287+ (I don't have this flow data with me right now but its in this range)
DSLA 150P 1042 (140% over stock)
DSLA 150P 1043 (125% over stock)
DSLA 150P 1362 (Baseline flow point, 100hp PD engine)

JFettig · Feb 19, 2012

DBW, are those over stock, or of stock, as in 25% over stock, 40% over stock, etc.?
I'm kind of guessing that R783's are not 263% over stock, but more like 163% over stock.

Reasoning: PD100 is, 100hp. most users of R783 nozzles are running 240-250hp., thats 140-150% over stock hp.

Drivbiwire · Feb 19, 2012

Correct stock being = to 0.

Then the R783 is 163% over stock flow nozzles.

Sorry about the confusion...its been a long day...

Schumey · Feb 21, 2012

K.I.T.T. said:
It'd work, but I suspect you'd suffer from overfuelling as the ECU won't know that it's running bigger injectors. I'd get it tuned/remapped at the same time.[...]

But I could drive like that?

K.I.T.T. · Feb 21, 2012

Schumey said:
But I could drive like that?

Probably. But you'd have bad MPGs and increased smoke...

Ash

Drivbiwire · Feb 21, 2012

Schumey said:
But I could drive like that?

Just like the VE injectors the PD and to a certain extent the CRI injector can also be adjusted for flow and balance.

The PD has a smaller range of adjustment (4 steps increase, and about 4 steps decrease).

It is possible to adjust the R783 race nozzles to work with a stock ECU, turbo and boost.

Of course when owners go this large they generally have a tune that can manage the full capability of the injector.

For the most part we only set a "Standard Flow" so that everyone is tuning off the same characteristic.

If a tuner wants more control in terms of less fuel or more fuel or more range of timing control we can adjust the injector to accommodate that request.

slamhouse · Feb 22, 2012

Can we sticky this thread? I've searched countless times looking for PD injector information ans got nothing until I found this. And this thread answered everything.

Schumey · Feb 22, 2012

My mechanic has a OBD tool and says he can change injection stuff, that should be okay till I get a remap, right?

Demon Diesel · Jun 21, 2012

Does anyone know where 038130073BB or 038130079PX fit into this table?
They are from a North American 2.0L 8V ~PD134 used in the Passat B5.5 with BHW engine code. I think these are the largest avaliable here in North America as stock.

I'm looking for a set of PD injectors (ideally stocks) that can go up to 240HP without struggling.

K.I.T.T. said:

It'd work, but I suspect you'd suffer from overfuelling as the ECU won't know that it's running bigger injectors. I'd get it tuned/remapped at the same time.

Also, some of you may find this interesting / useful. MJ = Model jahre (model year) and 530er, 550er, etc is the capacity of the injectors.

Code:

038 130 073 BA -     AWX, AVF, BLT      -     530er        - 1.9TDI 130PS in Polo, Passat, A4, A6
038 130 073 BA -     ATL,               -     530er        - 1.4TDi 90PS in A2
038 130 073 AA -     ASZ, ARL           -     550er        - 1.9TDI 130 und 150PS in Polo, Golf, Bora bis MJ2001 
038 130 073 AL -     ASZ, ARL           -     550er        - 1.9TDI 130 und 150PS in Polo, Golf, Bora ab MJ2002 
038 130 073 J  -     ATD                -     425er        - 1.9TDI 100PS in Golf, NewBeetle bis MJ2001 
038 130 073 AJ -     ATD                -     425er        - 1.9TDI 100PS in Golf, NewBeetle ab MJ2002
038 130 073 AJ -     ATD                -     425er        - 1.9TDI 100PS in Polo, Bora, Passat, A3 und A4
038 130 073 F  -     AJM, AUY           -     465er        - 1.9TDI 115PS in Golf, NewBeetle bis MJ2001
038 130 073 T  -     AJM, AUY           -     465er        - 1.9TDI 115PS in Golf, NewBeetle ab MJ2002
045 130 073 T  -     AMF                -     465er        - 1.4TDI 75PS in Lupo, Polo, A2
045 130 073 T  -     AJM                -     465er        - 1.9TDI 115PS in Passat, A4, A6
045 130 073 AA -     ANY                -     360er        - 1.2TDI 61PS in Lupo, A2
03G 130 073 B/G-     BKD                -     475er        - 2.0TDI 140PS in Golf, A3, Bora, Touran
07Z 130 073 D/F-     BAC                -     520er        - 2.5TDI 174PS in T5, Touareg
07Z 130 073 D/F -    AYH                -     520er        - 5.0TDI 313PS in Phaeton, Touareg bis MJ2003
07Z 130 073 H  -     AYH                -     560er        - 5.0TDI 313PS in Phaeton, Touareg ab MJ2004

Ash

EDIT: It was a major PITA formatting that^^

Drivbiwire · Jun 23, 2012

The BB/PX like the PD150 use the small plunger, and are not the units you want to use for high performance builds.

It's akin to going from an 11mm plunger to a 10mm plunger.

The best units are the larger plunger 100hp PD units.

pmag · Jun 23, 2012

Drivbiwire I've sent you PM!!!

nomoreford · Oct 30, 2012

K.I.T.T. said:

It'd work, but I suspect you'd suffer from overfuelling as the ECU won't know that it's running bigger injectors. I'd get it tuned/remapped at the same time.

Also, some of you may find this interesting / useful. MJ = Model jahre (model year) and 530er, 550er, etc is the capacity of the injectors.

Code:

038 130 073 BA -     AWX, AVF, BLT      -     530er        - 1.9TDI 130PS in Polo, Passat, A4, A6
038 130 073 BA -     ATL,               -     530er        - 1.4TDi 90PS in A2
038 130 073 AA -     ASZ, ARL           -     550er        - 1.9TDI 130 und 150PS in Polo, Golf, Bora bis MJ2001 
038 130 073 AL -     ASZ, ARL           -     550er        - 1.9TDI 130 und 150PS in Polo, Golf, Bora ab MJ2002 
038 130 073 J  -     ATD                -     425er        - 1.9TDI 100PS in Golf, NewBeetle bis MJ2001 
038 130 073 AJ -     ATD                -     425er        - 1.9TDI 100PS in Golf, NewBeetle ab MJ2002
038 130 073 AJ -     ATD                -     425er        - 1.9TDI 100PS in Polo, Bora, Passat, A3 und A4
038 130 073 F  -     AJM, AUY           -     465er        - 1.9TDI 115PS in Golf, NewBeetle bis MJ2001
038 130 073 T  -     AJM, AUY           -     465er        - 1.9TDI 115PS in Golf, NewBeetle ab MJ2002
045 130 073 T  -     AMF                -     465er        - 1.4TDI 75PS in Lupo, Polo, A2
045 130 073 T  -     AJM                -     465er        - 1.9TDI 115PS in Passat, A4, A6
045 130 073 AA -     ANY                -     360er        - 1.2TDI 61PS in Lupo, A2
03G 130 073 B/G-     BKD                -     475er        - 2.0TDI 140PS in Golf, A3, Bora, Touran
07Z 130 073 D/F-     BAC                -     520er        - 2.5TDI 174PS in T5, Touareg
07Z 130 073 D/F -    AYH                -     520er        - 5.0TDI 313PS in Phaeton, Touareg bis MJ2003
07Z 130 073 H  -     AYH                -     560er        - 5.0TDI 313PS in Phaeton, Touareg ab MJ2004

Ash

EDIT: It was a major PITA formatting that^^

Is there similar info available about 038 130 073 AN? I'm trying to find out if there is replacement injector available.

Mu81n · Aug 19, 2013

Evening all,

Useful info

http://www.chinahanji.com/25_elect4.htm

And also

http://www.bosch-automotive-catalog..._BoschWSRP_proxyportlet-remoteInvocation=true

Bear in mind, as far I am aware, it's for the European market.

Lucian189 · Aug 26, 2013

Can anyoane confirm that 07Z 130 073 H from 5.0 TDI ,can be fitted to 1.9 TDI PD??
Are they electonicaly compatible ?
Thanks

X-Man · Aug 11, 2014

nomoreford said:
Is there similar info available about 038 130 073 AN? I'm trying to find out if there is replacement injector available.

I'm also interested where is all the info coming from exactly? I've spoken to a diesel specialist and he said he has never seen injectors capacity measured in er whatever it is, just flow values...

cheers

morpwr · Aug 11, 2014

Plunger Size

I was thinking that the nozzle flow is a function of the plunger diameter. DBW mentioned the PD100 plunger is larger than some others. Is this all PD 100's like BEW and BRM in North America. If they start with 42.5CC's is that at the same operating pressure as all nozzles regardless of plunger, or do larger plunger nozzles run at more pressure?

devonutopia · Aug 11, 2014

I thought the measurement was always in CCM, i.e cubic centimetres per minute?

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