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Old July 21st, 2019, 13:49   #31
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Well, not everywhere. It was a Bora Variant in the UK. But on the Continent I think it was always a Golf.

That's funny, my 2005 Mk 4 Jetta Wagon is listed as a Golf Estate in the UK. "Variant" seems to have been used by VW elsewhere though. The car body form called "station wagon" in these United States was historically called "Estate" in the UK, and "Variant" by VW in Germany. FYI for some reason the term 'Break" is used in France!
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Old July 21st, 2019, 20:00   #32
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I think you guys haven’t been to a dealership to look at the new models lately. I stand by my position that the 2019 Tiguan is an overgrown 2019 Jetta and the 2019 Golf wagon is a 2019 Golf hatchback with a larger cargo area. There is a difference between the Jetta sedan and Golf hatchback but when you compare the CUV vs the wagon they have similarities.
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Old July 21st, 2019, 21:08   #33
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I think you guys havenít been to a dealership to look at the new models lately. I stand by my position that the 2019 Tiguan is an overgrown 2019 Jetta and the 2019 Golf wagon is a 2019 Golf hatchback with a larger cargo area. There is a difference between the Jetta sedan and Golf hatchback but when you compare the CUV vs the wagon they have similarities.

You obviously don't understand that the wagon is derived from the 5-door Golf and considered part of the Golf model line by VW. But for the North American market, VW re-badged it as part of the Jetta model line, and to reinforce it, removed the Golf-style front end, replacing it with the same front end as the Jetta sedan.


I DID compare the profiles of both the 2019 Tiguan and the 2019 Jetta and the only things that were similar were the door handle line and the fuel filler door. Next I compared the 2019 Golf SportWagen to the Tiguan (& the Jetta), but the Tiguan interior area looks shorter lengthwise than the Golf's.
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Old July 21st, 2019, 22:02   #34
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The previous (first?) gen. Tiggy looked to me like an overgrown Golf. The new one looks much different. Other than a few styling cues in the front end, I don't see much resemblance to the Jetta.
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Old July 22nd, 2019, 03:24   #35
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Golf Alltrack and Tiguan are on the same shared platform, but that platform is highly flexible so they may have started with the same base elements but the final size and shapes are entirely different. So technically you're both right.
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Old July 22nd, 2019, 08:46   #36
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Just to be clear, everyone can call any of these passenger vehicles from VW and elsewhere however their heart pleases.

My point is more do with how the design of a vehicle improves/worsens aerodynamics and therefore efficiency vs cargo/passenger space. Look up the 'Drag Coefficient'/weight of the 2015 Golf Sportswagen vs 2015 Tiguan. The differences add up to making a VW Tiguan one of the least optimized passenger vehicles considering primarily efficiency and cargo/passenger volume factors (given everything else important such as safety factors the same).

I can also understand that many people are buying passenger vehicles for their looks and perceived level of safety. In this case, for the average North American buyer, CUV/SUV is the better choice vs a wagon.
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perceived level of safety. In this case, for the average North American buyer, CUV/SUV is the better choice vs a wagon.
This pretty much sums up 95% of car buyers in North America

"hey, why did you buy that SUV?"

"because it's safer"

"why is it safer"

"because I'm higher and see over everyone"

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I've always been struck by how poor the Tiguan's FE is. It would drive me crazy.
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This pretty much sums up 95% of car buyers in North America

"hey, why did you buy that SUV?"

"because it's safer"

"why is it safer"

"because I'm higher and can drive over everyone"


There, fixed it for ya!
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I've always been struck by how poor the Tiguan's FE is. It would drive me crazy.

Maybe all vehicles with a FE of 30 mpg or less should have a 100% fuel-guzzler tax assessed.
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My 30MPG gasser 5 cyl Jetta is sitting rotting in the driveway because I can't deal with how much more it costs me in fuel compared to TDI. Some people commute with the 15-20MPG SUVs.
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Maybe all vehicles with a FE of 30 mpg or less should have a 100% fuel-guzzler tax assessed.
In my opinion you need something normalized to the passenger size, cargo size of the passenger vehicle.

So a VW Lupo TDI averages 65 MPG. Great! Now you have a Passat wagon TDI with around 40 cubic feet of cargo averages close to 40 MPG. That's super great!
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Maybe all vehicles with a FE of 30 mpg or less should have a 100% fuel-guzzler tax assessed.
I wonder if it would have any effect on buying habits. A decade ago paying $2.50 - $3.00/gallon and getting 15 MPG would be considered crazy. Now people don't mind. Just like they don't mind paying $50K+ for a pickup truck. I think people would just work the guzzler tax into their 84 month loan and drive on.

I have two cars (BMW 335d and Mercedes 300D) that get FE in the low to mid-30s, and it bothers me to drive those instead of my 45-50 MPG TDIs. I don't think I could ever be comfortable driving a car or truck that got less than 20 MPG.
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Maybe all vehicles with a FE of 30 mpg or less should have a 100% fuel-guzzler tax assessed.
You know, I get really sick of people tossing around statements like the one above - not everyone with a vehicle that gets that sort of MPG is driving it all the time. We're already paying more fuel taxes on them because we're buying more fuel to feed them, since the road taxes are assessed per gallon of fuel.

You planning on taxing the bejeezus out of that guy with the ultra-rare 69 Road Runner or the 57 Chevy, just because it doesn't meet 2019 MPG standards (or your arbitrary "30mpg" threshold above)?

Or how about my 1992 Jeep that only gets about 15-17 mpg? I drive it less than 1000 miles in a typical year, why are you hating on me for that?

And then there's the folks with the all-electric cars, who are aren't even paying road taxes because they don't buy gasoline/diesel for them - why are they getting to use the roads "for free"?
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And then there's the folks with the all-electric cars, who are aren't even paying road taxes because they don't buy gasoline/diesel for them - why are they getting to use the roads "for free"?
This is what bugs me. It remains to be seen if electrics can survive if the playing field gets leveled (no credits, rebates, or avoiding road use tax).
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