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Old July 6th, 2019, 09:37   #31
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My daughter lives in downtown LA and will be working in Century City once she finishes school next year. She bought a Civic about a year ago, but I keep telling her she'd be crazy not to buy an electric car once she's settled in her job. I've seen charging stations in a lot of public garages in LA, and she'd also have access to those at LAX. And they are usually well located parking spaces. Also, she'd get single passenger HOV lane access, although she says it doesn't matter, the HOV lanes are stopped dead at high traffic times, too. Still, it would be a logical choice. She doesn't do any long distance driving (hates it), so a Model 3 would be worry free for her. Not so much the eGolf: She does go to Laguna or Newport for the day sometimes. That would be a stretch.
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Old July 6th, 2019, 11:51   #32
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This eGolf does not save me $$. I was going back and forth and finally realized that eventually when I sell it, that will reduce my costs further. $16K now, sell for $8K later, and I have a nice $8K toy.

Time of use power would screw me as my wife is at home all day and with all the pcs running, led lights, electric oven, etc. night charging would be ~$0.12/KWh, but peak is $0.45!!! Work has free charging so I’ll be doing that as much as possible. Public Checkpoint chargers are not that good of a deal, as bad as paying for gas or worse. Everything is too expensive here in California. Oh and my insurance on this eGolf is $1K more than the Jetta TdI.

Love the quietness, smooth power, instant throttle response, all the new tech. I’m hoping my wife adopts using it more than her Mazda 3. Her trips are so short I feel bad for her car’s engine.
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Old July 7th, 2019, 09:29   #33
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night charging would be ~$0.12/KWh, but peak is $0.45!!!
NUTS!!!!

$.08/KWh here in east Idaho...
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Old July 8th, 2019, 17:48   #34
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Commuted to work with the eGolf last Friday and today. Even doing 75 on the freeway with a pack of cars I was rewarded with 4.6 miles/KW. Extremely quiet, very enjoyable, I'm spoiled!
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Old July 9th, 2019, 07:18   #35
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I bought a 19 EGolf in March for $24,500. Less the tax credit and the PA rebate I have $15,250 in it. It works great, I can get about 150 miles out of it and our rate is about $.12 kWh, so that's about $2.66 per 100 miles.
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Old July 9th, 2019, 09:59   #36
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Some comparison on cost to operate for the e-Golf vs TDI in Northern California:

The e-Golf uses 28 kWh/100 miles, and here we pay $0.22 /kWh, so the cost to drive 100 miles is (28kWh/100mi)*($0.22/kWh)=$6.16.

My TDI gets about 55mpg, and we pay about $4/gallon. So the cost to drive 100 miles is 100mi*($4/gal)/(55mi/gal)=$7.27.

Since fuel prices and electricity prices both vary, I'd say the cost per mile of e-golf electricity vs TDI diesel are roughly equal. The TDI is a bit cheaper if you hypermile and aggressively shop diesel prices, the e-Golf is cheaper if you get an EV plan, charge only at night, and use very little electricity during the day. The e-Golf is crazy expensive to operate if you have the tiered electricity plan and go into top tier, paying $0.49/kWh.
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Old July 10th, 2019, 09:05   #37
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Some comparison on cost to operate for the e-Golf vs TDI in Northern California:

The e-Golf uses 28 kWh/100 miles, and here we pay $0.22 /kWh, so the cost to drive 100 miles is (28kWh/100mi)*($0.22/kWh)=$6.16.

My TDI gets about 55mpg, and we pay about $4/gallon. So the cost to drive 100 miles is 100mi*($4/gal)/(55mi/gal)=$7.27.

Since fuel prices and electricity prices both vary, I'd say the cost per mile of e-golf electricity vs TDI diesel are roughly equal. The TDI is a bit cheaper if you hypermile and aggressively shop diesel prices, the e-Golf is cheaper if you get an EV plan, charge only at night, and use very little electricity during the day. The e-Golf is crazy expensive to operate if you have the tiered electricity plan and go into top tier, paying $0.49/kWh.
I would imagine you offset some of the electric costs by no oil changes, air filter, fuel filter and additives.
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Old July 10th, 2019, 21:16   #38
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I would imagine you offset some of the electric costs by no oil changes, air filter, fuel filter and additives.
You do but you also have to watch how much public stations charge for power. Some cost more to use than others. There's one by my house that is $1/hour at 6.6 KWhr rate. This ends up being cheaper than me charging at home however there are other chargers in town that are $2.6 or even $4/hour.

I have free charging at work so I'll be using that as much as possible. Still, I can buy a lot of diesel (180K miles worth) for $15K (the ultimate price I paid for the eGolf).
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Old July 11th, 2019, 06:17   #39
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Still, I can buy a lot of diesel (180K miles worth) for $15K (the ultimate price I paid for the eGolf).
Not to mention the price of tags & insurance on a new vehicle. My old TDI is $26/yr whereas a new car is around $300. The state next to me (MS) has started assessing a yearly road tax of $150 on EV's also.
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Old July 11th, 2019, 06:59   #40
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I would imagine you offset some of the electric costs by no oil changes, air filter, fuel filter and additives.
Yes, you would no longer have those expenses but how much do they really add up? I think my dealer charges $185 for the basic 10k service, which works out to an additional $1.85 per 100 miles. Changing casioqv's numbers to about $9/100 miles for the TDI versus $6 for the electric. Still not going to get rich driving the eGolf.
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Old July 11th, 2019, 08:06   #41
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I've been considering jumping into the electric car game. The rebate does make it worth it. I feel like that the prices are all over the place, just searching dealers on some of the major sites (cargurus, autolist, autotrader etc..) confirm it. 15k out the door is a great price, if I could find a similar deal I probably would jump at it. For me that would offset the newer registration cost and and insurance
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Old July 11th, 2019, 08:39   #42
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tdiv, keep in mind that your range would be significantly reduced in winter.
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Old July 11th, 2019, 09:42   #43
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Just noticed this thread.

I contacted a dealer in the San Fernando Valley for a quote.

Why does the form letter I got back ask if I want to finance or lease? I replied "I want to buy, not lease or finance". I hope that's still an option.

I assume it's an auto response since it came back right away and I think they were still closed.
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Often some of the incentives come through VW Credit so you have to finance with them to get the discounts. When I bought my leftover TDI I would forfeit the rebate if I paid cash. I leased and paid it off a couple months later.
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Dat's what I figgered.
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