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TDI Power Enhancements Discussions about increasing the power of your TDI engine. i.e. chips, injectors, powerboxes, clutches, etc. Handling, suspensions, wheels, type discussion should be put into the "Upgrades (non TDI Engine related)" forum. Non TDI vehicle related postings will be moved or removed. Please note the Performance Disclaimer.

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Old April 14th, 2019, 19:45   #1
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Just bought a “fixed” 2012 Golf 6 speed with 51000 miles. Looking to start off with a tune and leave the rest stock for now. Later I’m thinking a down pipe and a better clutch maybe. My google searches have brought up older threads about both Malone and Kerma. Any recent reviews on either one ? This will be a daily driver so fuel mileage is a concern but I want a little more fun too. Thanks!
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Old April 14th, 2019, 22:08   #2
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I think that's like asking BMW or Mercedes, both nice but from my experience on both I'd rather work on the Mercedes. Some will say the opposite just as some will say Malone over kerma...

Email both, communicate your goals and go with your gut. For the mk4s some say Malone feels smoother but the kerma feels more rowdy...my mk4 is kerma tuned and it's pretty rowdy and I like it...

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Old April 15th, 2019, 04:01   #3
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I had Malone tune and loved it. The car ran beautiful and very fast and smooth. Increased MPG about 5-10 more depending on the road conditions. They know their stuff. Kerma are good but few people got car issues after having Kerma tune.... but best for you to google it up and decide for yourself. like he said, Mercedes or BMW.


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Old April 15th, 2019, 14:09   #4
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I recently have a Malone stage 2 tune and I am very happy with it power increase very noticeable mpg gained a little as well. Communication is good when you need it to be but sometimes there is a wait as they seem to be busy
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Old April 15th, 2019, 14:14   #5
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Being Busy are a good sign because it shows how popular they are.


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Old April 15th, 2019, 14:47   #6
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First the bad news: I have never heard of anyone who has put both tunes on the same car and then dynoed them both to compare their performance. Therefore, I cannot say that one is superior to the other.


Then the good news: I have also never heard anyone complain about the performance of either tuner's products. Both appear to be excellent.


Often the choice of tuners has more to do with which one is more convenient. Questions like: which one has a dealer close to you? and which one is easier to deal with? and is either having a sale? These decisions are often more important than Kerma vs. Malone.
I seriously doubt that you will be disappointed no matter which way you go.


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Old April 15th, 2019, 14:52   #7
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First the bad news: I have never heard of anyone who has put both tunes on the same car and then dynoed them both to compare their performance.
I think this is why people so strongly defend what's in their car. They have no point of reference, and a tune, even if it's less than perfect, almost always make the car more fun to drive.

I got my first tune in IBW from Upsolute in 2003 (yikes). Loved it, until I went to my first dyno day and saw dyno pulls from cars with Rocketchip tunes. Had the car re-tuned by RC a few months later and never looked back.

I did have an opportunity to have my A3 tuned by two tuners, and ran dynos with both tunes. The differences were dramatic. So, in my experience, who you pick does matter. I've never worried about warranties, ease of uploading, or getting updates. I had my Wagon last re-tuned by RC when I replaced the engine 90K miles ago. Haven't touched it since. No need to.
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Old April 15th, 2019, 17:01   #8
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I actually read a thread on this end of the forum where someone did run their car on a Malone tune and a kerma tune. Ultimately, they both dynoed about the same the biggest difference between the two was where the engine power was based on throttle. As I understood it, Malone felt more like an even tune throughout the entire throttle, whereas Kerma was more aggressive, like 10% throttle felt like 30%, 50%felt like 80%, ect.

But as others have said, it'd all a matter of opinion. Only reason I went with Malone was because I didn't want to rent/buy a flashzilla and I found a vendor local who would do the tune for me. Plus the tune works better for me since it's my daily, I don't want to feel like I'm driving a racecar all the time. I rode in a golf that had the same hardware I did, but was tuned by Kerma, and it definitely thew you in the seat more than my car does. Fun, yes, but to me it'd get old.
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Old April 15th, 2019, 17:39   #9
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From a business standpoint I'd choose Malone. They have been good to me and easy to deal with. Just Google complaints and make your own decision.

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Old April 16th, 2019, 22:09   #10
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I don't understand why nobody ever seems to talk about Mike@TDTuning.com, I had an Upsolute tune done 12 or 13 years ago and it destroyed my turbo. I fixed the turbo, contacted Mike and have never looked back. I have had no dealings with Kerma, and Malone and I could not come to an agreement about a tune I wanted, so I am still running a TDTuning tune.
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Old April 17th, 2019, 08:51   #11
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I appreciate the advice. I pulled the trigger on the Kerma tune. It was a 50\50 decision as far as reviews and recommendations. What put me over the edge for Kerma was that someone answered the phone when I called. I couldn't find a number for Malone so I emailed them and didn't get a response for a couple of days . No doubt that they're busy. Plus , Kerma is in USA.
I'll do a full review soon. Hopefully with some Dyno time.
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Old April 17th, 2019, 20:53   #12
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"They have no point of reference, and a tune, even if it's less than perfect, almost always make the car more fun to drive." IBW

This is the problem, how do you compare? Same with mods,
we're scattered across the world with different conditions and
vehicles. I'm happy with my setup, but have no real reference
to alternatives. Never been to a GTG, but that's the only place
I think one could have the opportunity to drive a series of different
answers to what turns into a very complicated set of variables.
A weekend with access to something like the Lime Rock Raceway
would be ideal, and a bunch of members willing to swap cars.

Gurus at least have the opportunity to drive a lot of different vehicles, and I value their input whenever they drive mine.

So I read as much as possible, and try to make incremental
upgrades one step at a time. That at least gives a sense of what changes
make what kind of difference. So far so good with a LOT of input
from these forums.

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One thing I loved about the New England TDI owners is we ran dyno days for several years. We would often run upwards of 20 cars in a day. And it gave us a great opportunity to compare how tunes performed regarding how they delivered maximum power. In addition, TDI owners have always been generous about letting other members test drive their tunes. It was a great way to identify what hardware and software you preferred for your own car.

I switched to Rocketchip from Upsolute after looking at max outputs and dyno curves at the New England Dyno day in 2004. Others have switched based on dyno data as well. Although that's not the whole story, it's good data.

I think I've totaled about 80 dyno pulls in IBW. Poor thing.
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We have had some Dyno days, tuning events and GTG here a ways back. Nothing though for the last few years or more though. They were good when they happened. Kind of like TDI Fest going away.
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Just wait.... now TDI’s coming back and selling like hot pancakes because they are getting real cheap with amazing warranty that no other companies can beat that. TDI fest may come back soon as more owners are buying them nowadays.


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