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Old November 15th, 2017, 05:11   #3436
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^^^ don't know about that, but he camps on the roof of the gigafactory

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/e...f-gigafactory/
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Old November 15th, 2017, 07:32   #3437
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I am ignorant on Tesla and all the EV stuff.

....but their finances reminds me of the tulip bulb debacle centuries ago
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Old November 15th, 2017, 09:28   #3438
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Tesla reminds me of the Church of Scientology... you know there must be something else going on behind closed doors, you just don't really know exactly what that something is.
Except Elon is far more likely to introduce us to extraterrestrial civilizations than L Ron.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 10:37   #3439
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We test drove a 2015 Model S 85D last night. It was fantastic, but I have issues with rear seat passenger comfort. The Passat is definitely better in this category.

Of course, the Model S's closest competitor is the Audi A7, which I have the same rear seat comfort issues with.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 11:55   #3440
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We test drove a 2015 Model S 85D last night. It was fantastic
That was our experience too. I sat in a Model X for the first time at a mall in Scottsdale. Damn that's a nice SUV but I can't justify the price tag.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 11:56   #3441
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Except Elon is far more likely to introduce us to extraterrestrial civilizations than L Ron.
Indeed.

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Old November 15th, 2017, 12:07   #3442
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Tesla reminds me of the Church of Scientology... you know there must be something else going on behind closed doors, you just don't really know exactly what that something is.
Interesting comparison, and strangely enough may not be too far off the mark. Watch the audience at any event where Elon Musk is giving a keynote speech. The audience is hanging on every word he says, and has the distinct impression of a pastor giving a sermon to the congregation. Watching the audience gives you the feeling that people in that crowd are more about being "believers", than merely customers. I think that a lot of people view Elon Musk as some sort of Messiah. Kind of creepy.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 12:49   #3443
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Watching the audience gives you the feeling that people in that crowd are more about being "believers", than merely customers.
Except Hubbard wrote about spaceships and Elon actually built them
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Old November 15th, 2017, 13:00   #3444
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Interesting comparison, and strangely enough may not be too far off the mark. Watch the audience at any event where Elon Musk is giving a keynote speech. The audience is hanging on every word he says, and has the distinct impression of a pastor giving a sermon to the congregation. Watching the audience gives you the feeling that people in that crowd are more about being "believers", than merely customers. I think that a lot of people view Elon Musk as some sort of Messiah. Kind of creepy.
Well, he certainly is very admired by the brightest minds in the tech industry. But you can find plenty of Russian trolls and flat earthers who hold the opposite view of him. Sometimes I like to read the comment section following an RT article on SpaceX for a laugh. There are actually lots of people who think there is an impenetrable dome in the sky, believe it or not. Funny stuff.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 13:38   #3445
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There's a difference between admiration and adoration. I can admire the guy for what he's accomplished, but I don't think spreading the Word of Elon as a faithful disciple is a necessary prerequisite.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 21:06   #3446
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There's a difference between admiration and adoration. I can admire the guy for what he's accomplished, but I don't think spreading the Word of Elon as a faithful disciple is a necessary prerequisite.
I think 'grateful' is the best description. But then that's mostly from people that accept the scientific consensus on climate change. Tesla is Plan A. Space X is Plan B.
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I think 'grateful' is the best description. But then that's mostly from people that accept the scientific consensus on climate change. Tesla is Plan A. Space X is Plan B.
^^^

Exhibit A.) Elon Faithful Disciple.

Believe the Word of Elon. Spread the Word of Elon. If others ask questions, or otherwise raise a few concerns about the long term viability of Tesla or humans colonizing Mars - they shall be herewith labeled as Suppressive Persons, and enemies of the religion.

Personally, I'd expect Elon to be grateful to investors for pouring billions of dollars into his ventures, and to the customers who buy his products. I suppose the truly faithful see it differently than I do. I only admire the guy. Guess that doesn't measure up. No matter, I'm not much into signing billion year contracts.
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Elon Faithful Disciple.
I only 'believe' in physics. I 'accept' facts.

You should try it
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Old November 15th, 2017, 22:57   #3449
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"Tesla is Plan A. Space X is Plan B".

Sounds a lot more like beliefs than accepted "facts". Do we assume that should either Plan A or Plan B fail - we're doomed? I really hope the fate of mankind isn't in the hands of one person named Elon.

Oilhammer may be onto something. Who knows what's going on behind closed doors at Tesla.
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Old November 15th, 2017, 23:16   #3450
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Found a good review of the Model 3. It's long, but answers a lot of questions about the car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DT0vDMWsq4

I want one.
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