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Alternative Diesel Fuels (Biodiesel, WVO, SVO, BTL, GTL etc) Discussions about alternative fuels for use in our TDI's. This includes biodiesel WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil), SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil), BTL (Biomass to Liquid), GTL (Gas to Liquids) etc. Please note the Fuel Disclaimer.

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Old November 26th, 2015, 14:08   #1
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Hey, guys.

This is my first post on this forum and I bring some news. Donít use Propel HPR Diesel! Donít get me wrong this stuff is amazing I love the fact itís renewable and the extra cetane gives the TDI more responsive power! But recently my high-pressure fuel pump failed.

Lets back up a bit. I was merging onto the freeway when my TDI Jetta lost power luckily no cars were on the freeway so I quickly pulled to the shoulder of the freeway called AAA to get my car towed to Volkswagen. Thinking I would quickly get my car fixed and hit the road once again. Volkswagen charged me $150 to diagnose the problem as an HPFP Failure (a $5,000 to $6,000 fix) and seems to be covered under warranty. But they needed to sample the fuel to make sure I didnít put gas in the tank. A few days later they get the results back as a FAIL because I used Propel HPR Diesel and not regular diesel, therefore, its no longer covered under their warranty.

The lesson don't fuel with Propel HPR Diesel because Volkswagen doesn't recognize this fuel as #2 diesel even though Propel states its #2 diesel and safe to use in any diesel engine. Propel really needs to work with the Big Motor Companies to get their fuel covered under manufacturers warranties.
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Old November 26th, 2015, 14:23   #2
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Not convincing to me, here's why.... VW has a long history of blaming your fuel for problems, yes even regular D2. And not covering repairs. Sounds more like a VW / dealer problem then your fuel. HPR has more lubricity then d2. What year is your Jetta? They also are well known for failing on D2. Also contact Propel for their guarantee to cover repairs if their fuel caused a problem.
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Old November 26th, 2015, 14:32   #3
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HPR meets the ASTM D975 standard. This does not mean it is D2, it means that it is directly compatible. VW cannot deny your claim on this alone.

1 tank on 1 instance isn't a curve.

Read up on HPFP failures: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=286380. Please don't be ignorant and post like you're not.
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Old November 26th, 2015, 14:43   #4
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Propel is claiming that their product meets ASTM D975, so if VW is claiming that the fuel in the tank does not meet ASTM D975, then it's time to contact Propel. (And, get a sample of the fuel yourself, to have independently tested.)

If Propel's fuel comes out as ASTM D975 compliant, it's time to sue Volkswagen. If it does not come out as ASTM D975 compliant, and Propel doesn't cover the repair costs, it's time to sue Propel.

Problem solved.
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Old November 26th, 2015, 14:44   #5
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@ temporaptor I agree with you! I have a 2011 Jetta
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Old November 26th, 2015, 14:45   #6
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@digital Corpus Propel has #2 on the pump
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Old November 26th, 2015, 14:52   #7
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@digital Corpus Propel has #2 on the pump
No it doesn't
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Old November 26th, 2015, 16:52   #8
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Old November 26th, 2015, 17:57   #9
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HPR meets the ASTM D975 standard. This does not mean it is D2, it means that it is directly compatible. VW cannot deny your claim on this alone.

1 tank on 1 instance isn't a curve.

Read up on HPFP failures: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=286380. Please don't be ignorant and post like you're not.
^^^this.

How many hpfp's have failed running straight D2? And biodiesel in all its flavors? I don't have a hpfp but from what I've seen here, it's a design flaw, not widespread misfueling, causing the failures. Don't blame the fuel without concrete evidence (like an actual lab sample of your specific fuel).

And I might add, your username is over-the-top suspect...
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Old November 27th, 2015, 08:43   #10
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Hey, guys.

This is my first post on this forum and I bring some news. Donít use Propel HPR Diesel! Donít get me wrong this stuff is amazing I love the fact itís renewable and the extra cetane gives the TDI more responsive power! But recently my high-pressure fuel pump failed.

Lets back up a bit. I was merging onto the freeway when my TDI Jetta lost power luckily no cars were on the freeway so I quickly pulled to the shoulder of the freeway called AAA to get my car towed to Volkswagen. Thinking I would quickly get my car fixed and hit the road once again. Volkswagen charged me $150 to diagnose the problem as an HPFP Failure (a $5,000 to $6,000 fix) and seems to be covered under warranty. But they needed to sample the fuel to make sure I didnít put gas in the tank. A few days later they get the results back as a FAIL because I used Propel HPR Diesel and not regular diesel, therefore, its no longer covered under their warranty.

The lesson don't fuel with Propel HPR Diesel because Volkswagen doesn't recognize this fuel as #2 diesel even though Propel states its #2 diesel and safe to use in any diesel engine. Propel really needs to work with the Big Motor Companies to get their fuel covered under manufacturers warranties.
Basically, I think this post is entirely fictional. Why don't you post some evidence that what you say is true, and prove me wrong?
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Old November 27th, 2015, 10:08   #11
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My $.02

From what I have been seeing in CR systems that have failed:

- Evidence of corrosion
- actual rust
- evidence of free water (pitting, corrosion)

I'm starting to form an opinion that failures are related to water and fuel with water condensate.

On my 2013 I'm running Power Service White Bottle year around, my goal is to stop any suspended water from condensing and becoming free water which is fatal to these systems, 100% of the time.

I know the failed parts are going back to Bosch for inspection which are covered under warranty, and I know they are seeing the same things we are...

I don't have an opinion on any fuels out there, but as long as they meet ASTM D975/S15 you should be fine. But keep in mind that suspended water is a separate issues from the ASTM specification.

If it were up to me the TDI woul have a two stage filter system (coarse with water separator+ 2micron polishing element) the fuel with every pass thru the pump woul be routed for complete two stage filtration by the filters.

If you own a CR TDI, my advice Dose up 4-6oz per tank of Power Service White bottle additive to stop the formation of free water.

Don't bother asking about other additives, the answer is NO, I have only seen positive results from the PS White bottle additives for water.

Their silver bottle is good for blending to get higher Cetane, but does not contain the solublizer compounds.
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Old November 27th, 2015, 10:24   #12
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If you look on Facebook the same guy has posted the same "don't buy HPR" message on the Propel HPR page. Again, with the same lack of detailed information.

HPR has to be treated as diesel #2 by vehicle manufacturers, according to CARB and California law.

So that means that either VW is in direct contravention of California law, or the original poster is either mistaken, or a deliberate liar.

So I say : either put up, or shut up. In what way exactly did VW say that your fuel did not meet their specifications?. The fuel has to not meet spec in some way - lubricity, cetane, water content, gasoline content. They can't just say that they don't like it. If $6,000 was at stake, I'd want it in writing.
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Old November 27th, 2015, 10:47   #13
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I’m warning you people don’t fuel with HPR Diesel if your TDI is under any kind of warranty. If you have an older TDI go for it.
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Old November 27th, 2015, 11:02   #14
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Yes, I know, you already said that. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to provide more info than that.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 13:09   #15
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Just noticing this thread...

So, what are "normal" people seeing with HPR? (By "normal", I mean those who don't have DontFuelWihHPR in their nym.)

I've filled up the past two tanks of my '00 Jetta with this and have noticed nothing different than when I've used B20 or D2 at <Insert Major Fuel Chain Here>.
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