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Old September 6th, 2008, 18:47   #1
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Default Beware of supposed PD150 Intake manifolds with part number Part 038 129 713 BC

Here are the vectors and force fields I just went though for the last couple of days. Maybe someone else will not make the same mistake I did.

So I am too cheap to buy a new PD150 intake manifold; I save a few bucks and I buy one from someone on line. It comes nicely packed with grease and soot. I get it all cleaned up and I even get it bead blasted so it looks brand new. I am a very happy camper.



I get a beautiful race pipe for PD150's from Nick at Street Toys http://www.streettoys2000.com/prodde...prod=RacePipes

I am still very happy. So before I take the old intake out, I get a very slight moment of wisdom and decide to measure everything beforehand:



I center the new manifold exactly where it will bolt up and I find out the racepipe is short about 2". I call Nick and he says "Hummmmm..." "you sure you got a PD150 intake? " I say "Yes of course". This was the first clue.

Then he says "No problem, " he makes me a new PD150 race pipe custom size exactly 5 1/2" long like I needed. Does not charge me a nickel for either the pipe or the shipping and sends me the thing in a couple days!!!

WOWWW I think this is incredible service! I will buy from him again!! I get the longer racepipe a couple days later and now I am in business. (I think) . I had forgotten about Murphy's law.



I take out the old manifold and install the PD150 intake manifold and I am almost done until I get this, last night about 1 AM:





By then I am pretty tired and I am thinking "***???"

I write Nick and email at about 2 AM and send him photos of what I got. He calls me first thing Saturday AM. He says " send me the template of the manifold flange and I'll make you another one". I fax him template and he jumps on his lathe, like Johnny on the spot, and cuts me new flanges and pipes to match my funky A$$ manifold. He overnight it to me. WOWW! I will not get service like that from the VW dealer!!! I am thinking, This guy is top on my list for being there for his customers

Meantime, I spend Saturday trying to find a local machine shop that 's open on Saturday to ream out bigger holes on my racepipe, to see if I could at least get my car back together.

I cannot find one that's wiling to help me, so I decide to drill out the pipe flange w/ a drill motor myself. I keep drilling bigger and bigger holes, going from one bit size up to the next, till I am finally able to mate the flanges. Except now there is no more meat left in one of the holes of the race pipe and I have cut through almost to the edge of the flange. I go back on a quest for some washers and add a couple washers to each bolt to get me by.

Now I get to this



and I can complete the rest of the install and get my car back on the road. When the replacement racepipe gets here, I will swap the current pipe which I have massacred.



I get my car buttoned up and tested drove it about 5:30 PM today. I had started last night about 7 PM.

Here are the two lessons I learned today:

1- Beware of supposed PD150 Intake manifolds with part number Part 038 129 713 BC. Check what is the part number before buying one. Come to find out after the fact, by checking the part numbers, that it's not a PD150 manifold. Looks like on, but it certainly does not fit like one.

2 - I need to read "Zen and the art of modding my TDI" . I have learned one needs a lot of patience since I started doing and learning this game. Everything seems to come very very slow. Learn a little, Buy some parts, wait for them, return a few, buy some more, break a few things, repair them, and mostly meet good people who are willing to help and make good friend along the way.

EDIT- As it turns out the person that sold it to me did not intentionally mislead me. I was not aware at the time that there are difference in length and bolt pattern between the true PD150 intake and the one I got.



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Old September 6th, 2008, 19:38   #2
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A 038 129 713 BC manifold is from an AXR engine. 101 HP.

The correct number for a PD150, (ARL), is 038 129 713 AF.
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Old September 6th, 2008, 19:43   #3
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Thank you for clarifying. Live and learn. Do think it would offer the same air flow capabilities? It really appears to look the same, except for the bolt pattern and the length of the intake nozzle.

I see the reason why my original racepipe was too short:

True PD150 Manifold 038 129 713 AF:



The one I bought which is a 038 129 713 BC manifold from an AXR engine. 101 HP






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A 038 129 713 BC manifold is from an AXR engine. 101 HP.

The correct number for a PD150, (ARL), is 038 129 713 AF.

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Old September 6th, 2008, 19:51   #4
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I can see some small differences on that manifold but I really have my doubts that the flow characteristics would be any different. Just as long as this is a known issue and the correct pipe is readily available I can't see any other reason to avoid this manifold.
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Old September 6th, 2008, 19:59   #5
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These "BC" manifolds have long been billed as PD150 manifolds for some time now. They are designed identically besides the longer neck on the "AF" unit.I know, I've held both in my hands at the same time and I've used both on my car before. Yeah, it's a little shorter. Drill out the race pipe holes a smidge, and your good to go. The hose will fit. It did on mine at least. Several people here have used that same manifold on their cars with great success. Glad to see your learning though. I particularly liked your "lesson 2".
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Old September 6th, 2008, 20:02   #6
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Never had one in my hands so tough to say but it looks pretty much the same as my PD150 one.

Others with more experience on the myriad different VW engine types will have to chime in on if it is good or bad.
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Old September 6th, 2008, 23:13   #7
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Nick is the hero in this. I may have to ask him to make me one of those race pipes also...
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Old September 7th, 2008, 09:55   #8
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I concur with your statement "Nick is the hero in this."

I was extremely impressed with the level of service and quality of work he provided. How many shops will do that for a customer on a Saturday? I really wanted the community to know how he treated me. To be honest, I have never received service like that before. He definitely went over and above the call of duty.

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Thank you very much for the kind words guys! I must however admit, I usualy work Sat and most Sundays anyway. I am happy that I could help out. I think we all learned a lesson on this one!

Thanks again,

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Hey, check your PMs, dude! I'm gonna want one of those special race pipes, if you can make more ;-)
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Thank you very much for the kind words guys! I must however admit, I usualy work Sat and most Sundays anyway. I am happy that I could help out. I think we all learned a lesson on this one!

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here's mine:

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That kindda looks like the one I have. Check to see if it's part no 038 129 713 BC

If it is and if you want to reuse the stock upper IC piping and elbow, you'll need a longer Racepipe and a slightly different bolt pattern than the PD150. You may need a racepipe about 5" to 5 1/4" long.

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its AF, you can see the part number in the photo...
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I know I have a big fat oil cap in the way but you can see the difference here as well. They also have two different types of race pipes but that should be negligible. Just look at the necks:


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