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Old August 22nd, 2016, 10:40   #61
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I've been shopping for my replacement. I'm leaning towards a Toyota Avalon at this point. They have a hybrid version.

We looked at Lexus ES class. Very nice. But the rear seats don't drop down. All they offer is a small pass through window for snow skies. I drop the rear seats on my Passat all the time when I have large loads.

We are also considering a hybrid CUV or SUV too.
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 10:40   #62
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Ah, but I have to have my little toys and bobbles!
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 11:31   #63
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I've looked at the CMax as well, but the trunk space is rather sparse, especially the Energi. Drives nice, but I can't give up that much cargo space.
The CMax Energi is a very nice little vehicle! It's quick and spacious for passengers, but as you point out, the trunk space is definitely lacking due to the battery being back there.

Personally, if I were in the market for a CMax, I'd sacrifice the extra trunk space to have the Energi plug-in. 21 miles of all-electric range could cover a pretty significant portion of my driving routine, and the price after federal incentives is about the same as the regular hybrid.
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 11:45   #64
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I've been shopping for my replacement. I'm leaning towards a Toyota Avalon at this point. They have a hybrid version.
We looked at Lexus ES class. Very nice. But the rear seats don't drop down. All they offer is a small pass through window for snow skies. I drop the rear seats on my Passat all the time when I have large loads.
We are also considering a hybrid CUV or SUV too.
I drove a '16 ES 350 for about a week. I did not like the low seating position, soft seats, mushy driving dynamics, or the control layout. A very nice car, just too much Buick for me.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 11:19   #65
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I have been looking at Buicks. The Regal and Lacrosse are both very close to all the interior dimensions of the Passat and in some exceed the Passat. The Regal is the closest to Passat size with the Lacrosse being a little bigger than the Passat. If you have not check out the 2017 Lacrosse as it looks really good compared to the older model.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 15:32   #66
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What a mess...we've gone from Passat to Toyota Avalon to Buick...

Thanks, VAG, for completely screwing up!
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 16:00   #67
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What a mess...we've gone from Passat to Toyota Avalon to Buick...
Thanks, VAG, for completely screwing up!
And somehow this is VW's fault? Have folks here lost their free will?
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 16:42   #68
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Why didn't you look at 4 cylinder accord? I think trunk is 15.0. Plus you can buy one for the same as a civic right now. Should be able to buy a very nicely equipped 2016 closeout for 2k to 3k behind invoice. Like I said earlier, going to take a long time recoup the difference in gas savings on a hybrid vs a 4 cylinder accord. Plus, I would be concerned about long term reliability on Malibu... Also much smaller backseat in Malibu vs accord. Oh and seats fold down on ex and above non hybrid accords.
Civic was cheaper, Accord was better equipped.

I ended up buying a 4 cylinder accord ex-l. Price was pretty much same as what I paid for my 2013 Passat SE with Sun and Nav. My payment is $3 per month less, and my insurance is a bit cheaper

Trunk in Accord is 15.8, was 15.9 in Passat. So, the same.


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Old August 24th, 2016, 04:19   #69
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Regal back seat is tiny, no matter what the numbers suggest. Same with Malibu. Lacrosse is close but still does not feel as big as the Passat back seat.

I have not heard much about GM's 2.0L turbo. I hate the 3.6L V6 in everything I've driven with it.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 05:13   #70
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And somehow this is VW's fault? Have folks here lost their free will?
I'd love some clarification on this statement, maybe best in a PM...
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Old August 24th, 2016, 07:37   #71
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I would certainly consider a hybrid to replace my Passat. However, since I'm looking to move back into a small SUV/CUV, The RAV4 is almost the only one on the market. And I'm just not ready to move to Toyota. Something about their appearance...

Now Lexus has the NX200h, but I can't get past the grille. Can't think of any other smaller hybrid SUV. Both the Subaru Forester and Mazda CX-5 fit my desired size, and both have improved their MPG significantly in the last few years. Not diesel level MPG, but far better than the Tiguan I used to have.
There's also the Toyota C-HR which will have a hybrid version (although FWD only at this point) using the Gen 4 Prius powertrain, but its styling is... uh... out there.

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I've been shopping for my replacement. I'm leaning towards a Toyota Avalon at this point. They have a hybrid version.
We looked at Lexus ES class. Very nice. But the rear seats don't drop down. All they offer is a small pass through window for snow skies. I drop the rear seats on my Passat all the time when I have large loads.
We are also considering a hybrid CUV or SUV too.
I could have sworn the Avalon Hybrid had the same seating configuration as the ES 300h... but the Camry Hybrid has fold-down rear seats (but you still only get a window to pass things through, thanks to the awful battery layout). Fusion Hybrid might be a better bet in that regard, you still get a battery lump in the trunk, but AFAIK the passthrough with the seats folded down is more useful.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 08:38   #72
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I've thought of this question, among other vehicle options and would only consider the buyback if miraculously, my buyback figure ends up being what I paid for the vehicle or pretty darn close. Otherwise, I will take the compensation and fix. But if the buyback is an option, then I would be hard pressed to find something that would fit me. Criteria for me would be, if staying with a midsize and looking brand new:

- manual transmission. I can live with a conventional slush box, but no DSGs or CVTs for me. I still feel DSGs are in their infancy and I'm not willing to take a chance. CVTs feel like junk to me, not even factoring the poor reliability

- equivalent trim options (Comfortline aka SE)

- no hybrids or electric

- feels good to drive and not sloppy

So my options? Gas Passat maybe in automatic, since the manual is now only on the base model, and a step down to the 5 speed versus the 6. Toyota Camry automatic, but road feel here is borderline for me. Honda Accord manual, but I am not a Honda fan. Subaru Legacy manual (they exist in Canada), but then the AWD tire issue is not ideal to me.

If I had to, it will probably come down to a shoot out between the Passat and Legacy.

But I may not even go there as there are other household fleet needs: a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel truck for camping trailer towing, likely a vehicle not to be used extensively except for camping trips (and will be an older truck). And a replacement for an aging minivan. Possibly new, and the old one becomes my commuter vehicle until it dies.

Ideal for me is to keep the Passat I have and add the truck to my fleet. And deal with the aging van if it needs replacing before my oldest turns 16 and buys it cheap from us.
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Mind you, the modern eCVTs can be extremely well-behaved, and extremely reliable. Hybrids do have the battery packaging problem right now, though (within the next few years, though, I predict that Toyota's midsize/fullsize FWD hybrids will have far better battery packaging - the IS and RC in Europe show one way to do it that even works on RWD cars (spare tire well mounting), the Prius c/Aqua/Yaris Hybrid and the Gen 4 Prius show another way to do it (smaller fuel tank, battery on top of fuel tank)).
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Old September 11th, 2016, 21:07   #74
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Good thread.

'15 Prius rear seat room is inadequate. I had a rental, and a 'middle aged' old man, young woman, and a 30 something we're quite uncomfortable. I was driving, it was funny, but really a disappointment.

Made me wish I had my Passat. I did average over 53 mpg for 500 miles over Labor Day weekend. Mainly just hauling 2 at or below the posted speed limit; hah.
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Regal back seat is tiny, no matter what the numbers suggest. Same with Malibu. Lacrosse is close but still does not feel as big as the Passat back seat.
I did a ton of research when I was comparing all of the cars. The rear seat room in the Malibu is almost identical to the Passat. Legroom in the Passat is 39.1 inches, while the Malibu is 38.1. Headroom in the Passat is 37.8 inches and 37.5 inches in the in the Malibu. That's 97.5% and 99.2% respectively.

The killer difference for me was the Passat's 18.5 gallon fuel tank versus the 13.0 gallon fuel tank of the Malibu. Coupled with far less mileage, that's a significant range difference.
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