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VW Passat Family (NMS and B7) TDIs (2012+) Discussion area for the 2012+ Passat TDI (North American and rest of world versions versions). The North American model was previously codenamed NMS (New Midsize Sedan) and the version the rest of the world gets is sometimes referred to as B7.

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Old August 11th, 2016, 09:07   #31
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I haven't compared size, but the new Jaguar XE diesel caught my eye. 2.0 diesel. Manual option. AWD avail as well (not sure if AWD and manual are together). Price isn't ridiculous either

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Old August 11th, 2016, 10:51   #32
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Sat in one last weekend. Felt small, even for my short self. Header was low, rear seat legroom appeared to be less than a 3-series. I was interested in the diesel, but if I want a family car I'd go for the XF instead when they have the diesel later next year. Then you're back in the $50K range.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 11:27   #33
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I recently picked up a '16 BMW X5, the Passat has more room in it, especially in the back, than the X5 does.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 20:20   #34
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Nice car. Smaller in the backseat but not tons. Trunk a little smaller as well. I liked the way it drove. The all wheel drive and eyesight technology make me feel a little safer. Still need to drive accord, cx5, and Hyundai Genesis. Going to be a hard decision.
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Old August 18th, 2016, 14:10   #35
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We take 7-11 1000-mile each way trips each year as a family & i bought passat due to combination of highway mpg/range plus rear seat & trunk room.
i've test driven everything i can think of from SUV's to minivans to sedans to crossovers & believed there was nothing else out there that came close to comparing when i bought new but time changes things. with 2014 passat being returned within the next 2 years & $26k in pocket i see options (although nothing with a manual, dammit).
1) mercedes e250: has bigger tank & similar mpg rating for even better range. 3" less legroom, same trunk size. much nicer car overall w/more power. amazingly cheap used (2014's w/under 20k miles for less than $30k). avail awd w/4mpg hit. best match so far.
2) bmw 535d: same size tank & 5mpg less hurts range but still 700 miles. significantly bigger car but 4" less rear legroom, smaller trunk. much nicer car w/tons more power. avail for $35k w/35k miles. avail awd w/1 mpg hit (how the hell do they do that?!).
3) A6: rear seat & trunk too small & too expensive although i really want it to work.
4) malibu hybrid: nice looking car w/good room inside but small trunk & only 600 mile range due to 13g tank. great commuting & city car but not the long hauler we need.
5) honda odyssey: say what!? as our family grows in number & size we need more room for baby associated stuff. double strollers take up some space! crazy amounts of flexible room for people & stuff inside & almost 600 mile range. can pick up a new or used EX-L with low miles ($25k for a 2014 w/under 20k miles).
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Old August 18th, 2016, 14:30   #36
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Diesel heretic here. Wearing the nomex...

In advance of selling my 2014 back to VWoA, we just purchased a used 2014 Avalon Hybrid Limited, 12k miles, $47k sticker in 2014, paid $28.4k. It'll cost me $1.5k more than what VWoA will give me for my 2014 NMS Passat with 60k miles.

I've driven 280 miles in and around the Dallas region, in traffic, some 75-80 mph cruising, probably 40/60 C/H.

Computer says 42.6 mpg. Won't know actual mpg figures until I refill the tank.

Totally different class of vehicle, virtually identical interior/exterior dimensions. ALL the available bells and whistles (vented seats: WOOHOO!), 200hp, CVT (gag!...but almost as responsive as the hesitant and sometimes confused DSG!) Trunk is smaller, but not by much, 14cf vs. 16cf, BUT, it's deeper, more square, appears to be more useful.

Oh, and the Avalon no longer drives like a Japanese Buick. It's not German by any stretch, but not a huge step down.

Go ahead...hate on me for going hybrid (trading the hyper-engineered but fragile CR TDI for UBER-engineered but time-tested, reliable Toyota hybrid!).
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Old August 18th, 2016, 15:02   #37
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Doesn't an Avalon have a minimum age requirement? :-)
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Old August 18th, 2016, 15:06   #38
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Wow. 32 minutes. That didn't take long!
For sure, you gotta be old enough and mature enough to understand its value!!!!
What was the question???
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Doesn't an Avalon have a minimum age requirement? :-)
I think 75% of the folks here meet that requirement...
The others will if they are lucky someday!!
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Old August 18th, 2016, 15:12   #40
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Just kidding. I'm not sure I'll ever be "mature" enough for a hybrid with a CVT. But I bet it's comfortable. Every time I look at a new Mercedes I sit in the car and think, "I'm not old enough yet." And I've been doing that for 20 years.
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Old August 18th, 2016, 15:47   #41
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Thread title: "Passat Replacement based cabin size". HAHA!
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Old August 18th, 2016, 16:00   #42
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Darn hard to beat the Toyota reliability reputation! You can find other cars that are much more sexy and fun to drive. Problem is they cost you money every time you turn around. My sister's BMW's seem to have a minimum dealer charge of $1000 every time they pass GO. Neighbors traded their Mercedes SUV for a Honda SUV because it could not pass a dealer without a 3 day "spa treatment".
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I would certainly consider a hybrid to replace my Passat. However, since I'm looking to move back into a small SUV/CUV, The RAV4 is almost the only one on the market. And I'm just not ready to move to Toyota. Something about their appearance...

Now Lexus has the NX200h, but I can't get past the grille. Can't think of any other smaller hybrid SUV. Both the Subaru Forester and Mazda CX-5 fit my desired size, and both have improved their MPG significantly in the last few years. Not diesel level MPG, but far better than the Tiguan I used to have.
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I would certainly consider a hybrid to replace my Passat. However, since I'm looking to move back into a small SUV/CUV, The RAV4 is almost the only one on the market. And I'm just not ready to move to Toyota. Something about their appearance...

Now Lexus has the NX200h, but I can't get past the grille. Can't think of any other smaller hybrid SUV. Both the Subaru Forester and Mazda CX-5 fit my desired size, and both have improved their MPG significantly in the last few years. Not diesel level MPG, but far better than the Tiguan I used to have.
The RAV4 hybrid with e-AWD is actually a very nice vehicle. The hybrid system drives the front wheels, and the rear wheels are driven on demand by a rear electric motor. If I was in the market for a small SUV/CUV, it would definitely be at the top of the list, just below a very rare Rav4 EV. The Lexus is NX200h is also very nice, but at a higher price point.
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Diesel heretic here. Wearing the nomex...
In advance of selling my 2014 back to VWoA, we just purchased a used 2014 Avalon Hybrid Limited, 12k miles, $47k sticker in 2014, paid $28.4k. It'll cost me $1.5k more than what VWoA will give me for my 2014 NMS Passat with 60k miles.
I've driven 280 miles in and around the Dallas region, in traffic, some 75-80 mph cruising, probably 40/60 C/H.
Computer says 42.6 mpg. Won't know actual mpg figures until I refill the tank.
Totally different class of vehicle, virtually identical interior/exterior dimensions. ALL the available bells and whistles (vented seats: WOOHOO!), 200hp, CVT (gag!...but almost as responsive as the hesitant and sometimes confused DSG!) Trunk is smaller, but not by much, 14cf vs. 16cf, BUT, it's deeper, more square, appears to be more useful.
Oh, and the Avalon no longer drives like a Japanese Buick. It's not German by any stretch, but not a huge step down.
Go ahead...hate on me for going hybrid (trading the hyper-engineered but fragile CR TDI for UBER-engineered but time-tested, reliable Toyota hybrid!).
Nice, I was wondering what you bought after I saw another post of yours. That is probably about the closest match you can get vs the Passat TDI. More power (1 second faster to 60), plenty of space and great mpgs. No hate from me as I am looking into hybrids as well.

My reality check comes this weekend (if I have the time) with my 6'5" self and at least one of my kids in a car seat behind me trolling dealer lots. I have driven plenty now time to see if we can all actually fit. I am bracing myself since the 2 top contenders (2017 Fusion Energi or 16 Malibu Hybrid) are decently sized for a normal person, leave a lot to be desired when I am sitting comfortably and then try to get others behind me. My benchmark is myself sitting behind myself. If my knees are barely touching then the kids dangling feet will be touching slightly, can't go much smaller. But, have to try with the actual passengers to really see.

Also have driven some non-hybrid GMs. 2016 Malibu 1.5T is actually pretty decent given its light weight, comparable to the TDI in performance. Best cars for me though are the Impala/LaCrosse/XTS (used for best deals and close to VW payback). If I could get over the 50% mpg hit I would stop my search now, great cars.

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