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Dieselgate - VW Group Emission Scandal Discussion around the VW Dieselgate Emissions scandal. Details and news updates can be viewed here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=448336 This forum is a work in progress depending on requirements, usage, etc.

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Old March 16th, 2017, 03:00   #3601
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do you know which trim, packages you're getting? are the dealers out there offering ANYTHING off MSRP?
Matters not which car you buy

I (mostly) do not buy locally, because they think they have a captive buyer.

Shopping many out of town dealers, will give you a shot at a BIGGER selection of cars, and better prices.

For the most part, you can have them deliver it to your drive way. I do
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Old March 16th, 2017, 08:50   #3602
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Matters not which car you buy

I (mostly) do not buy locally, because they think they have a captive buyer.

Shopping many out of town dealers, will give you a shot at a BIGGER selection of cars, and better prices.

For the most part, you can have them deliver it to your drive way. I do
unfortunately, NOBODY anywhere I've inquired, up to 150 miles into the desert, are offering any deals on this car. It's too new, and they seem to be banking a lot on forcing us to believe it's "heavily in demand".
At this point, I've picked a few VIN #'s and am watching how long they stay on each lot. Other than that, they aren't dealing (but if I wanted a Forte, $3000 off MSRP is the starting point).
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Old March 16th, 2017, 09:13   #3603
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unfortunately, NOBODY anywhere I've inquired, up to 150 miles into the desert, are offering any deals on this car. It's too new, and they seem to be banking a lot on forcing us to believe it's "heavily in demand".
At this point, I've picked a few VIN #'s and am watching how long they stay on each lot. Other than that, they aren't dealing (but if I wanted a Forte, $3000 off MSRP is the starting point).
Just did a search (no limit on miles) via cars.com

Found (approx) 8-11 % off of MSRP on NITO.

TRIM level was naturally on the cheap ones

Farthest distance I every bought a car was ~ 378(?) miles, ~~ had it delivered to drive way ~~ my 2015 VW TDi Golf (S) DSG

My local dealer had squat for selection ~~ and was 'bout $3000 on the high side.

Even today he has one (1) 2017 Golf in his inventory ~~ may have 'bout 30 Jetta
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Old March 16th, 2017, 16:46   #3604
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Figuring the cost for electricity on the Volt is pretty easy. It's a 18.4kWh battery, so figure if you run it to flat every time you'll need about 20kWh to fill it up. Multiply that by your cost for electricity then divide by your range on the battery and you'll get your energy cost/mile.

The Volt does not use nearly all of its battery.

Full charge is purposely less than 100% and "empty" is purposely above 0% (this is to increase the life-span of the battery).

Generally, you will do most of your living in the middle 80% of the battery.

Also, you have conversion losses in charging, going from AC house current to DC in the on-board charger. This loss depends on the charge rate, as well.

I am currently averaging 5.1 miles per kWh. Figure a 10% charging loss and I am spending about 1.85 cents per mile for electricity (with the less efficient Gen 1 - a 2015).


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Old March 16th, 2017, 16:57   #3605
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For the most part, you can have them deliver it to your drive way. I do
How do they handle the test drive before you buy? After the test drive experience I had a bunch of years ago (electrical wiring started to burn during the test drive.. with <6 miles on its clock), I won't buy a car I haven't test driven first.
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Old March 16th, 2017, 19:48   #3606
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IBW, thanks for info.
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Old March 16th, 2017, 19:54   #3607
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Put a downpayment on a '17 Outback today. Thanks for everyone's help. Checked out VWs, Audis, Lexus NX200, a Macan S, and who knows what else. I'll miss the greater economy, and the torquey nature of the TDI.

I get as close as I could to a wagon and some of its utility. Great noise isolation, nice interior, good-if-not-great power (3.6l, not the 2.5), and tons of utility.

I honestly would've bought a Q5 diesel if they were around to be had, or Mazda's if they'd bring it over. Anyway it was fun shopping & hearing about others' adventures.

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Just did a search (no limit on miles) via cars.com
Found (approx) 8-11 % off of MSRP on NITO.
TRIM level was naturally on the cheap ones
Farthest distance I every bought a car was ~ 378(?) miles, ~~ had it delivered to drive way ~~ my 2015 VW TDi Golf (S) DSG
My local dealer had squat for selection ~~ and was 'bout $3000 on the high side.
Even today he has one (1) 2017 Golf in his inventory ~~ may have 'bout 30 Jetta
Thanks. I'm thinking Oklahoma might be a little far to drive
Southern California, being a hybrid-hotbed, seems to be more stingy. There's a chance Costco may have the best price - dealer invoice minus $500, but it's not easy finding that info even. Truecar gave no incentives, nor did edmunds.
PS - i'm fiddling with cars.com - don't see where an 8 to 11% discount is realized, unless it's lease cash

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Old March 16th, 2017, 21:20   #3609
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I road trip to buy vehicles all the time; thats how you get deals... here the markets are too hot for me.. My first was from Flordia when someone totaled a base model, insurance bought me a fully loaded replacement.. Then when my wife and I were dating our first trip was 1k miles out to Detroit buy me a car, then later I got her one was from Huston to get her a 6MT CPO that was about impossible to find.
Here in 2 weeks I fly out to Oklahoma to get my next one.. this will be a short 700 mile journey and I'm getting a fully loaded vehicle for less than the base model I test drove at a local dealer.

Road trips are fun; espically in a brand new (to you) vehicle.. you get to know your new machine quite well listening to it run for hours..

just a tip though; take a ice scraper with you this time of year.. or buy one once you hit the ground asap
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Old March 17th, 2017, 05:19   #3610
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How do they handle the test drive before you buy? After the test drive experience I had a bunch of years ago (electrical wiring started to burn during the test drive.. with <6 miles on its clock), I won't buy a car I haven't test driven first.
I guess I have been lucky ~~ then there is the warranty to fall back on, if there IS a problem

Last 3 new cars I did it "long distance." ~~ Never having tested it. ~~ Our Camry, her RAV4 LIMITED, my VW Golf TDi ~~ All good to go.

I will concede I was helping my MIL buy a Buick 'bout 35 years ago. ~~ Sure enough there was a major problem with something (tranny?)

The ol' girl was wanting to let them "fix" it. I did not. She balked. I threatened to pull out of the negotiations.

In the end (we-she) went to another dealership. ~~ May have saved 'bout $145 with a different car.

If the "buyer" is not in charge ~~ the seller is

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When negotiating, they seem to always ask if I want ot come in and "test drive it"

My stock retort is ~~ Why? Is there something wrong with it?
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Old March 17th, 2017, 05:52   #3611
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Put a downpayment on a '17 Outback today. Thanks for everyone's help. Checked out VWs, Audis, Lexus NX200, a Macan S, and who knows what else. I'll miss the greater economy, and the torquey nature of the TDI.

I get as close as I could to a wagon and some of its utility. Great noise isolation, nice interior, good-if-not-great power (3.6l, not the 2.5), and tons of utility.

I honestly would've bought a Q5 diesel if they were around to be had, or Mazda's if they'd bring it over. Anyway it was fun shopping & hearing about others' adventures.

Jeff
Good luck with your Subie.

I had a brand new Q5 for a rental last week. Picked it up with about 1700 miles on it and dropped it off at about 2300. Really nice riding SUV and liked most of the layout. The Audi infortainment center would take some getting used to. Not the most user friendly but also not the worst. Cruising across northwestern Iowa returned about 22 mpg, accroding to the car. I could get used to driving something like that but know my wife is leaning towards a three row beast. Got to have room for the granddaughter.
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Old March 18th, 2017, 05:39   #3612
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Good luck with your Subie.

I had a brand new Q5 for a rental last week. Picked it up with about 1700 miles on it and dropped it off at about 2300. Really nice riding SUV and liked most of the layout. The Audi infortainment center would take some getting used to. Not the most user friendly but also not the worst. Cruising across northwestern Iowa returned about 22 mpg, accroding to the car. I could get used to driving something like that but know my wife is leaning towards a three row beast. Got to have room for the granddaughter.
Thanks. Q5 was my other favorite. There are still a few used Q7 diesels around Atlanta for anyone interested. Seems like an awesome pick if you need 3 rows.

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Get you a truck. With a truck...you can do truck stuff.

My Ram is pretty sweet. Just put a tri-fold bed cover on it.
Looking good! DH just got step sides and the bed Linex'd for the Silverado.
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I bought my '15 Convert Beetle TDI about two and a half weeks before the scandal broke. I get back almost what I paid. It's not nearly as good of a deal as for some people who bought a used vehicle. But it's not bad!

I love her, still undecided if I'll do the mod or sell her back. My husband wants to keep her. He enjoys driving her. He has a 2500hd Silverado Diesel with a full crew cab. He finds it nice to "zip" around. 🙄 Leading choice for replacement is either a 17 MINI Countryman or a '17 MINI Convertible. Just not sure if I want to give up having a convertible again. I'll enjoy my Beetle through the summer at least, if not all the way to September 2018!
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I bought my '15 Convert Beetle TDI about two and a half weeks before the scandal broke. I get back almost what I paid. It's not nearly as good of a deal as for some people who bought a used vehicle. But it's not bad!
I love her, still undecided if I'll do the mod or sell her back. My husband wants to keep her. He enjoys driving her. He has a 2500hd Silverado Diesel with a full crew cab. He finds it nice to "zip" around. �� Leading choice for replacement is either a 17 MINI Countryman or a '17 MINI Convertible. Just not sure if I want to give up having a convertible again. I'll enjoy my Beetle through the summer at least, if not all the way to September 2018!
Didn't know the Beetle convertible came as TDI, wonder how valuable it will be in a couple of years.

Also, I would stay away from the anything Mini.

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