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Old March 20th, 2017, 07:19   #121
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After 2013 JSW TDI 6M turn-in - I have the (generous) VW offer - prior to the 1 September 2018 deadline..............I'd sure like an Alltrack 6M.
It seems to have it all - except fuel efficiency.
Have you noted any buyer's remorse due to the marked MPG drop?
again, the Alltrack 6M really appeals but......................
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If you don't "need" AWD (and I think the number of people that *truly* need it is small; I live in Quebec and have never felt the need for it), you will do much better, and have essentially the same car, with the 1.8 TSI.

I have one, a Golf hatch (5-sp manual) and my wife will soon get a 5-sp manual TSI wagon.

In summer, if you don't beat it up, this is possible:





Now, I've hand-calculated that the MFD is off by about 0.3-0.4 L/100 km. So realistically, let's say that the 5.2 really is 5.6. That still works out to 42 mpg which isn't half bad. The only downside is that VW cut 5 L fuel capacity on the Mk VII, so range is only 700 km in "normal" driving, but you might be able to tickle 900 km on a long drive at 100 km/h (if you can stand it!). I don't mind the range issue so much as I'm retired and no longer commute, but for those with a long commute prepare to stop a lot more often... my Mk VI TDI used to be able to go at least 1000 km between fills, and that was exactly a week's driving.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 10:55   #122
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IIRC, the tank of the alltrac is still 14+ gallons and you get a 6 speed manual or DSG.
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Old March 28th, 2017, 13:13   #123
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IIRC, the tank of the alltrac is still 14+ gallons and you get a 6 speed manual or DSG.
Yup! It is
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Old March 29th, 2017, 20:01   #124
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Our family (particularly my mom) is looking forward to a car that has:

-Hatchback
-Sunroof
-Cheap to insure

So we plan to go for a buyback of our TDI when the Canadian settlement eventually gets approved.
One of our candidinates for our replacement would be:

GSW FWD Comfortline with automatic transmission and convenience package
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Old March 30th, 2017, 11:45   #125
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According to the EPA data files, the AWD (4motion) GSW burns:
+14.5% more fuel in city
+15.3% more fuel on highway
Compared to the FWD GSW. (calculated fron "City Unrd Adj FE - Conventional Fuel" and "Hwy Unrd Adj FE - Conventional Fuel" columns)

For 2017 Mazda CX-5, AWD vs FWD:
+6.4% on highway (no unrounded MPG available for city)

For 2017 Mazda CX-9:
+7.9% on city / highway

Is VW's 4motion AWD system really that inefficient?

But it does look like VW is using the Alltrack as the emission certificate for the GSW 4motion.
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Old March 31st, 2017, 07:57   #126
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According to the EPA data files, the AWD (4motion) GSW burns:
+14.5% more fuel in city
+15.3% more fuel on highway
Compared to the FWD GSW. (calculated fron "City Unrd Adj FE - Conventional Fuel" and "Hwy Unrd Adj FE - Conventional Fuel" columns)

For 2017 Mazda CX-5, AWD vs FWD:
+6.4% on highway (no unrounded MPG available for city)

For 2017 Mazda CX-9:
+7.9% on city / highway

Is VW's 4motion AWD system really that inefficient?

But it does look like VW is using the Alltrack as the emission certificate for the GSW 4motion.
Percentages are tricky... Percent of what? That said, the two mazdas are SUVs with likely poorer aerodynamics, so maybe they're starting from a lower number anyway, so the added AWD hardware doesn't make as much of a difference.
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Old March 31st, 2017, 10:21   #127
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Percentages are tricky... Percent of what? That said, the two mazdas are SUVs with likely poorer aerodynamics, so maybe they're starting from a lower number anyway, so the added AWD hardware doesn't make as much of a difference.
I mean the percentage of fuel consumption increase (L/100 km or Gal/100 mi) of AWD vs FWD versions of the same car. (Preferably the same engine/transmission if possible, but that's not the case for GSW).

Can also be calculated by FWD MPG / AWD MPG - 1.

For most gasoline cars, AWD fuel consumption should be around 7-8% higher than their FWD counterparts. For the GSW the AWD/FWD difference seems to be exceptionally large.
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Old April 10th, 2017, 14:59   #128
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Soooooo close. Turned in the TDI thursday, driving a loaner Passat (pretty nice, miss my Sirrius), hoping to hear any day now the Alltrack is in.
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Old April 14th, 2017, 22:43   #129
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I have about 1300 miles and six weeks in the Alltrack: still digging it.

Mine is the SE model with Fender sound/ subwoofer, panoramic sunroof and CarPlay infotainment.

I'm averaging 21-23 MPG per fill-up: really, the only letdown compared to the TDI Golf.

I was able to get tinted all around and the sunroof too. Here in the Mojave Desert, the Greenhouse Effect inside the autos is in full effect. The 3M tint job cuts the solar EMR drastically!

I haven't had any real road trips yet: the farthest has been a couple of 150 mile adventures to the San Diego region. I did get out on some desert trails, I'm stoked with the dirt road experiences so far.
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I have about 1300 miles and six weeks in the Alltrack: still digging it.


I'm averaging 21-23 MPG per fill-up: really, the only letdown compared to the TDI Golf.


I haven't had any real road trips yet: the farthest has been a couple of 150 mile adventures to the San Diego region. I did get out on some desert trails, I'm stoked with the dirt road experiences so far.
Your Alltrack - with a 6M - is on my short list. It joins the - Five Grand Less - GSW 1.8/5M/15-inch wheels...........money and MPG being factors here.

My TDI - with space, reliability - thus far - unreal fuel numbers AND V-TEX really set the bar.................


(At least I've until December next year to get my head strait.)


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Old April 15th, 2017, 08:51   #131
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Is there a way to add blind spot protection on the 16 Alltrack. My Mother in law would buy the Alltrack if it had the blind spot protection. It weird it has all the safety stuff but not that one. But the Golf wagon has it.
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Old May 5th, 2017, 07:54   #132
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Picked it up Monday...



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Old May 6th, 2017, 08:01   #133
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Picked up a GSW S 4Motion DSG last week, in white. Both this car and the TDI GSW had their pluses and minuses. Difference between the two was only $800. Yes, taking a 10 MPG hit, but getting the updates that I wanted.

Main factors for me were updates (heated seats, radio) and the 4Motion handled better out of the box. Now, its just getting used to HP and not torque when driving.
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Now, its just getting used to HP and not torque when driving.
Well it's not as if 200 lb-ft @1500-4200 rpm is anything to sneeze at
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Old May 7th, 2017, 22:38   #135
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Anyone else thinking of waiting on the 2018s? No firm details yet, but looks like comfortline (in Canada) may get a bit more tech if it follows the US "se" trim. Snazzy refresh of the front and rear lighting and bumpers, bigger touchscreen. No release date that I have found yet, but thinking about driving the tdi for the summer and shooting for turn-in in September if the '18s are in stock. May even show up earlier since the refresh was already available in Europe as a 2017?

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