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Old December 30th, 2011, 12:11   #1
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Default Why is that people think that hybrids are alternative fuel? I hate hybrids!!

To my knowledge they use gasoline, and they have a slightly better mpg rate than regular engines. They have a gigantic disposable battery, and they aren't made to last.
How many Prius you see driving around with missing lights? It seems that at least that kind of hybrid is a royal joke.
Please post info here to dissuade my ignorant network from buying an abomination.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 12:25   #2
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Because Hybrids are "PC" or "flavor of the month". My sister had a Hybrid Toyota Hylander and later traded in for a smaller Korean import. with the Korean regular gas car, she gets better millage..................

I think that it is because people are, for the most part are sheep and will buy what they think is PC.

People thinking that Hybrids are alternative fuel vehicles, I don't have a clue.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 12:26   #3
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I think everyone on this site knows better. Hybrids aren't being done correctly just yet. Plug-ins and diesel hybrids are starting to go the right direction. TDI's are still much much better. Especially when non-hybrids are creeping on hybrid mileage aka mazda 3, Chevy Cruze, ford fiesta/focus, and some others.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 16:33   #4
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I am with kerrige. It is a learning phase. We will come out of it with more information, and maybe a better, more efficient car. Before we get there, we may go through several generations before we have a car that is practical for the average Joe.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 16:39   #5
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BioNerd- have you seen the license plates which the Commonwealth of Virginia issues for hybrids???

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Old December 30th, 2011, 16:40   #6
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Hybrids use electricity. That's an alternative fuel.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 16:57   #7
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They use gasoline to power/recharge a battery. That is their fuel, gasoline.
Without gasoline they couldn't move.

Regular cars do the same but they don't use the battery to move the car.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 17:04   #8
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They use both gas and elec, we both know that. The regen braking, and flattening the load cycles of the engine (both of which depends on elec) is really what makes that technology shine. Pretty good engineering, even if you (and I) don't really like the car, or the snobbery that some carry with it..

I have no problem with hybrids being classed as an alt fuel vehicle. Good technology and we need more of it. It may burn gasoline, but a whole lot less.
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I think they have their place. In urban or suburban driving with lots of stops they do very well. They're great for short trips. The batteries are lasting a lot longer than manufacturers predicted.

Right now I have a five mile commute on suburban streets that I do twice a day, on average. I don't want to drive my new Golf such short distances frequently, and I know that I can carbon up the turbo on my modified wagon with a steady diet of the same use. A hybrid wouldn't be a bad option.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 18:09   #10
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Hybrids have their place just as TDIs do. Different tech for different needs. TDIs are best as highway transports and Prii are better as city cars. Either way the two types represent the most fuel efficient cars in common North American usage.

I'd buy one.

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I traded in my 05 Passat tdi for an 09 Camry Hybrid. Now I pay less per gal and get more mpg's to boot! I believe it's bigger inside too.
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I still think that, if they use gasoline as fuel, they are misclassified as alternative fuel. They have an electric motor powered by gasoline, right?

They are lower emission, fuel efficient (in some cases).

They burn regular gas to move, there is a plug in conversion that can be called alternative fuel.

Not everything that claims to be "green" is actually less impact on the environment. It takes as much if not more effort to build them. They don't seem to be built to be a "classic" in 30 years.

My verdict is that they have been marketed very well. And the philosophy behind is to build disposable cars. I hope that the research and evolution of the technology reaches a point where it makes more sense.

I love hating on hybrids.
(specially because they were allowed in the carpool lane with just the driver!)
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Oh, and if the exhaust fumes are so clean, why don't they hook up the pipe to the cabin? That will save some heating energy! :P
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Hybrids have their place just as TDIs do. Different tech for different needs. TDIs are best as highway transports and Prii are better as city cars. Either way the two types represent the most fuel efficient cars in common North American usage.

I'd buy one.

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I agree with bionerd totally. I still can't resolve myself to the benefits of a hybrid... Why do "we" (loose cultural reference used here) drive our hybrids 5-7 mins to the gym for a workout? Use a darn bicycle or jog there for a warmup! Not to mention... The larger carbon footprint for manufacturing a Prius. The single-source battery mfg plant location alone requires container ship transport to the assembly plant.

I absolutely love cruising down the highway and passing a Prius at 75 mph... knowing I'm getting better fuel efficiency!!!!
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Old January 2nd, 2012, 05:26   #15
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A balance needs to be found.
Hybrids are a good thing, I'd love a TDI hybrid.
Gas hybrids are still burning dino oil, no way around it.
Biodiesel is the only currently available fuel (Ethenol isn't sustainable) not to burn dino oil.
Run synthetic engine oil and that only leaves the tires.
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