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May 1, 2005
Unmentioned Energy Fix: A 55 M.P.H. Speed Limit
By JAD MOUAWAD and SIMON ROMERO

President Bush made it clear last week that he sees no quick fixes to the nation's energy woes. The problem has been long in coming, the argument goes, and so will the solutions. But if history is any guide, there is one thing he could do immediately: bring back the 55 miles-per-hour speed limit.

It has been done before. Along with record oil and gasoline prices, improvements in fuel efficiency and a lasting economic recession, speed limits helped curb fuel consumption for the first time in American postwar history between 1974 and 1984.

Of course, energy eventually became cheap again, the economy expanded and Americans became complacent and unwilling to make more sacrifices.

Instead of opting for small fuel-efficient cars, people switched to large sport utility vehicles and larger pickups. As drivers groaned and states fought for their right to speed, the limit was raised.

While oil consumption in most industrialized nations has either leveled off or declined, in the United States, oil demand has soared 38 percent since the first oil shock of 1973.

The Bush administration's focus over the last four years has been to increase the supply of oil and natural gas, which are also priorities for the energy industry, instead of finding ways to cut back on energy demand, which until very recently has been left out of the picture.

"We are in a boxing match, and the president keeps one hand tied to his back," said Steven Nadel, the executive director for the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, a nonprofit research group in Washington. "We're punching with supplies and not using demand. We're at a disadvantage."

Other industrialized countries, especially in Europe, have been much more successful than the United States and have managed to actually lower oil demand, or at least keep it in check. That comes from higher diesel use and higher taxes. In France and Germany, a gallon of gasoline sells for as much as $6, with taxes accounting for about 80 percent of that.

Few politicians in America might risk ridicule or rejection by explicitly supporting higher taxes on gasoline, one of the surest ways to limit the nation's dependence on oil.

"Even the least outrageous gasoline tax would have choked off some demand, and the money would have gone to our own government instead of being transferred overseas," said Robert K. Kaufmann, a professor of geography at the Center for Energy and Environmental Studies at Boston University. "Of course, that would have to involve personal sacrifice, which is off the table politically."

There are other ways to curb consumption that may be only slightly less challenging, analysts say. One would be to increase the average mileage per gallon requirement. After Congress passed legislation forcing automakers to act in 1975, average mileage almost doubled to 27.5 miles a gallon in 1987 from 14 in 1972. But it has since slipped back to 24 because of S.U.V.'s, and Congress shows no inclination to toughen the standards.

Another way to sharply reduce demand - and improve mileage - would be to encourage drivers to buy diesel cars, which offer as much as 60 percent more fuel efficiency, said Theodore R. Eck, an energy consultant and former chief economist at the Amoco oil company.

"The neat thing here is that this is off-the-shelf technology," he said. But the trade-off to diesel fuels also includes higher emissions of nitrate oxide, a pollutant that is responsible for smog.

In a recent speech, President Bush suggested that diesel cars might be made eligible for similar income tax credits as hybrid cars, which are quickly turning into best sellers with long waiting lists.

The present predicament behind high oil prices is quite different than the oil shocks of the 1970's and 1980's, which were a result of producers in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries cutting oil supplies. Today, the price shock comes from rapidly increasing demand, driven largely by China, but also by the United States and its strong car culture.

After rising 33 percent in the last year, crude oil prices in New York slipped below $50 a barrel on Friday for the first time in 10 weeks. They closed down nearly 4 percent at $49.72 a barrel.

Still, Americans can expect to pay record prices for gasoline this summer. According to the latest national average compiled by the Energy Department, gasoline prices at the pump averaged $2.24 a gallon, up 42 cents from last year; they are expected to touch a record $2.35 a gallon this summer.

Polls show that higher gasoline prices are increasingly hurting Americans, and the president is pressing Congress to revive an energy bill that has been stalled for four years.

Since the last energy shock of the 1980's, the economy as a whole has shifted toward services and away from heavy industry and is now less dependent on oil than it once was. But that has been more than offset by the rise of oil demand for the transportation sector, which accounts for two of every three barrels of crude oil consumed here; gasoline alone amounts to half the nation's oil consumption.

"We've had this situation building up for years, and yet the focus continues to be on the very long term," said Shirley Neff, an adjunct professor at Columbia University and a former economist on the Senate Energy Committee. "We have to focus on demand and be more efficient in our energy use. We need something like an Apollo program for the transportation sector."

But restricting demand might also weaken economic growth, an unpalatable prospect for any government, especially at a time when some are already blaming energy costs for a slowdown in growth.

"It's true that there is a limit to what you could achieve through a traditional energy policy in one or two years," said Fridtjof Unander, an analyst with the International Energy Agency, which advises industrialized nations on ways to reduce their consumption.

The 55 miles-per-hour speed limit came as a result of the 1973 Arab oil embargo. The Nixon administration ordered states to lower their maximum limit to save fuel at a time when the first oil shock threatened to bring the economy to a standstill.

After steadily rising each year, gasoline demand suddenly stopped growing in 1974 and remained nearly flat for the next decade, keeping oil consumption in check.

Roland Hwang, the vehicles policy director at the Natural Resources Defense Council in San Francisco, estimated the savings of the speed limit in 1983 at 2.5 billion gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel, or 2.2 percent of the total use for these types of fuels.

But as gas lines faded from people's memories and energy prices went down, the federal speed limit was relaxed in 1987, allowing states to set higher caps of 65 miles an hour. Once more, gasoline consumption surged.

Smaller efforts today could make a difference. For example, driving at 10 miles an hour above the 65 miles-per-hour limit increases fuel consumption by 15 percent; inflating tires properly cuts gasoline use by 2 percent; keeping engines idle while in line wastes millions of gallons.

The trouble is that few drivers bother with these suggestions, Mr. Hwang said. "People are basically too lazy to pump their tires up."
 

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Re: nytimes.com - ...Energy Fix: A 55 MPH. Speed Limit

A few things to keep in mind:

1) The United States is geographically tremendously bigger than European countries, making driving a car a necessity without better public transportation.

2) Wide-spread public transportation is difficult to make financially feasible in the United States. Heck it's not financially feasible in many smaller European countries!

3) Europeans save fuel with smaller, lighter, and dieseled cars. They still go fast. Why would we drive slower in a bigger country? It's just silly!
 

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Re: nytimes.com - ...Energy Fix: A 55 MPH. Speed Limit

Is it silly to save resources and lives?
 

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>>Is it silly to save resources and lives?<<

Which resources are you think about?

For me, the most precious resource is TIME, and to waste time driving at idiotically slow speeds is the worst waste of them all. As for saving lives... that debate over the realtionship between speed and fatality isn't over yet!!

Yuri.
 

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Re: nytimes.com - ...Energy Fix: A 55 MPH. Speed Limit

Doc-

You make some good points. The typical rail system that is used in Europe can take you around at 150 mph. There's nothing close to that here, and no one is willing to pay to have it.

I think it is interesting that a writer for the New York Times is so quick to come up with a lower speed limit as a possible solution to this problem. Not that it would effect his/her day-to-day life that much.

That said, the writer does make some good points about higher diesel use and fewer SUV's. I do think it would be a more accurate report to compare the fuel consumption of all vehicles between '87 and now. I think for most "average" vehicles (leaving monster SUV's out of the equation) the overall fuel economy has gotten much better.

Does anyone have any ideas on when will the economy really start to feel the effects of a 42% increase in a basic item like fuel? Or has it already adjusted to this?

(I know I haven't!)

-tom
 

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This sure would screw all of those people who like to work in the city and live in the country. ie 60-90 miles from work. It would almost be funny if I didn't have a 30 mile commute at 65mph.
 

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Re: nytimes.com - ...Energy Fix: A 55 MPH. Speed Limit

>>Is it silly to save resources and lives?<<

Which resources are you think about?

For me, the most precious resource is TIME, and to waste time driving at idiotically slow speeds is the worst waste of them all. As for saving lives... that debate over the realtionship between speed and fatality isn't over yet!!

Yuri.
RE: time, i could not agree more. it has been said that while americans on average have more possessions and are wealthier than ever - americans are very "time poor".

the articles describes numerous ways to save fuel: increase CAFE, increase taxes, drive diesels, properly inflate tires, drive the speed limit (driving at 10 miles an hour above the 65 miles-per-hour limit increases fuel consumption by 15 percent) - and reduce the speed limit to 55mph.

in general, americans and american politicians are unwilling to do any of them.

DrSmile - america is a large country, but most americans do not needs to drive great distances. it's not like we buy milk someplace and then have to drive 20 miles for OJ. some choose to drive 50+ miles to/from their work because low fuel costs make it financially reasonable. if fuel cost $6/gallon (like EU) many people would live nearer their work (in general, like EU).

back to 55mph and being "time poor" - if i drove 50 miles per day, all at the hwy speed limit of 55 (proposed) or 70mph (current), the latter would save me 12 minutes per day. i currently drive ~60 miles a day, but not that much of it is highway so reinstating the 55mph national speed limit would not bother me at all.

if the 70 to 55mph change cost me more time than i was willing to part with, i could live closer to my job. even an extreme commute of 120 all-highway miles would only take 1/2 hour more at 55mph than 70mph, and that scenario applies to an extremely small percentage of people. it would effect long-haul truckers - but they somehow survived 55mph before so i'm sure they could do it again. maybe more freight would be transported by rail?

there is no debate over speed and fatality in the US (considering american drivers, roads and vehicles). better trained drivers, better roads and better vehicles (more thorough and demanding annual inspections) would certainly reduce high speed accidents - but americans are not willing to make any of those changes either.
 

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Been there, done that. I am old enough to remember driving home from college when the national speed limit was 50 MPH. The length of the Mass Pike at 50-55 is a long ride. The only consolation was that I did it in a '57 Beetle and it got over 40 MPG, as I recall. I think gasoline skyrocketed to $.59 a gallon (1974).


If we're serious about saving lives outlaw cars. Or stairs. Or bathtubs. Or MacDonalds. Everything is a calculated risk. Yes, Europeans drive faster. And they have fewer accidents. However, they also have far more fatalities per accident.

Lower speed limits is embarrasing. It just points out our inability to plan, to have foresight, to sacrifice to be less energy dependant. I was driving with a 50 MPH national speed limit thirty two years ago. And we haven't made much progress. We deserve what we get.

My rant for the day (or at least the afternoon).
 

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>>The length of the Mass Pike at 50-55 is a long ride.<<

Try driving the length of Nebraska or Kansas at 55 mph!!!! I've had the "pleasure"...

Yuri.
 

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Not to split hairs, but I don't recall the national speed limit ever being 50. It was 55.

You think the Mass turnpike is long at that speed, try driving from San Diego to Sacramento and back during quarter breaks.

Some day we'll look back (or our children will) and marvel that we burned up so much petroleum.
 

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Nixon lowered the speed limit on an emergency basis to 50 in 1973. The next year a 55 MPH limit was mandated. Exceptions were Nevada and Montana, until (some years later) they relized they'd lose their federal highway funding if they didn't institute the limit.

So it was 50, but only for about 4-6 months. Can anyone else verify this?
 

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I would be in agreement with a speed limit of 55 for SUVs and keeping them the same for everyone else. Why should I have to change my lifestyle by driving slower to reduce demand so others can drive gas guzzelers? I am sure I would use less fuel at 100 MPH than a large SUV at 55.

As far as the safety arguement goes, give me a freakin break. Lets just make the speed limit 25 that way nobody ever will die in a car accident again
. Personally I am willing to take a little more risk than spend my life poking along at 55. Accidents are entirely caused by idiotic driving. Cars dont just miraculously wreck from high speed. Its because somebody screwed up.
 

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Enforcement may be a problem, as we've gotten used to ignoring the speed limits we have. I drove to western MA and back yesterday and stayed with the fastest traffic, not passing it, never taking the lead, and my speeds ranged between 75-90 MPH, and a short burst (following a Corvette) to 100. At 80+ I wasn't passing very many cars, and some were passing me (I wouldn't follow anyone who had to do lots of lane changes to maintain a higher speed).

I filled up tonight (driving to NYC in the AM) and got 45 MPG for the tank that included that drive (half with three good-sized teenagers and luggage in the car), stop and go, and other highway and suburban driving.

For this I should be limited to 55? I guess that's one way to break 60 MPG!
 

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I liked this part of the article:

Another way to sharply reduce demand - and improve mileage - would be to encourage drivers to buy diesel cars, which offer as much as 60 percent more fuel efficiency, said Theodore R. Eck, an energy consultant and former chief economist at the Amoco oil company.
 

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i'm not in favor of instituting a 55mph speed limit (and i do not believe the article's authors are either) but the point is SOMETHING must be done - and americans in general - are unwilling to make any changes to reduce their petro consumption.

<ul type="square">the articles describes numerous ways to save fuel: increase CAFE, increase taxes, drive diesels, properly inflate tires, drive the speed limit (driving at 10 miles an hour above the 65 miles-per-hour limit increases fuel consumption by 15 percent) - and reduce the speed limit to 55mph.[/list]personally, our TDIs far exceed CAFE efficiency, they are diesels, our tires are well (very) inflated, and we nearly always use BioD instead of petroleum. however...

in general, we (americans) just want gas prices to be lower so we can drive whatever we want as much as we want. if <u>as a country</u>, we do nothing to reduce our rapidly increasing petro dependance, a strictly enforced 55mph national speed limit would be a fitting punishment.
 

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Re: nytimes.com - ...Energy Fix: A 55 MPH Speed Li

I'm a fairly slow driver but I would deeply resent being asked to drive way slower than the safe (design speed) for a given roadway. Design speed is a function of highway classification and geometry.

As a cop, I resent being asked to enforce a law for reasons other than public safety. It makes the cops the bad guys. 55 mph was like prohibition - it just didn't work. Differential speeds cause problems as well. It is an engineering standard that the safe speed limit for a road is that at which 85% of drivers are at or below. If the limit is 55 and a few actually drive at that limit, then the rest of drivers weave madly to avoid them and more wrecks ensue. The only way to make it work would be some kind of automatic timed or GPS based system that penalized every or nearly every violator. This country isn't ready for big brother on that scale. The technology is out there and in use - everyone with an EZPass or similar transponder could easily be tracked, but the tolling authorities issuing these things take great pain to promise that they will not be used for speed enforcement.

Another observation - fuel price doesn't seem to make much of an impact on vehicle speeds. From what I've experienced (little) and heard (a lot) drivers in Europe are as fast or faster than here. Limits in many euro countries are higher than ours or enforced less and drivers go faster, even in places with $6 per gallon fuel. They just do it in much lighter vehicles
 

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Re: nytimes.com - ...Energy Fix: A 55 MPH Speed Li

Nixon lowered the speed limit on an emergency basis to 50 in 1973. The next year a 55 MPH limit was mandated. Exceptions were Nevada and Montana, until (some years later) they relized they'd lose their federal highway funding if they didn't institute the limit.

So it was 50, but only for about 4-6 months. Can anyone else verify this?
correct.
Mass took along time to replace the 50mph signs to 55 mph.

they never enforced it anyway, like today, the speed limit is a farce. Back then I lowered my driving speed from 65mph to 63 and drove all over the country then without ever getting stopped.
Today, I am in no hurry so I am used to driving 65mph . its non stressful too..
 

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Re: nytimes.com - ...Energy Fix: A 55 MPH Speed Li

I agree with one of the previous posters that said you would have to live in NYC to make that suggestion. I, too, am old enough to have driven under the 55mph yoke, and I NEVER want to have to do that again. It is excruciatingly and maddeningly slow to me. I like 75-80 myself for intercity travel, I feel safe and yet like I am getting somewhere. If I feel like trying to max out my mileage on a given week, then I can putter along, that's my choice. But never being able to drive a reasonable speed again-- aaaaugh!
 

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I can't believe it. Not ONE Sammy Hagar reference in this thread! Where are all the 80's hair metal fans?
 

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I'm for rationing. Set a limit on the total amount of fuel available for use. Give everyone with a driver's license access to an equal amount of fuel. Those with efficient cars could sell their excess fuel allocation to others that want to drive more miles or drive fuel inefficient cars.

It worked during WWII
 

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I may be way off base on this, but how much oil that we use is used for cars transporting us around?

It seems like I recall a mention one time, somewhere that of all of the oil used in this country, cars are actually a small portion. I could be wrong about that and please don't ask for my source because I have slept since I heard it, so I'm just not sure.

IF this is true, then lowering the speed limit won't do much for our over-all oil consumption.
 

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or.... we could just enforce the current speed limits. I got a speeding ticket a couple years ago. Ticket was a $170 plus an addition $25 head injury surchage to go towards head injury research. Why not just tax on a $25 fuel injury surcharge(or whatever you want to call it) that goes towards research or funding initatives to help more fuel effecient vehicles.

I get on the mass pike and sit in the right lane with my cruise set at an indicated 67mph and enjoy the easy ride. I laugh every time an SUV passes me at 80 mph. Oh well.

Maybe they could come up with a new class of "minor speeding violations". Say for going less than 10mph over the limit. With a small fine and the fuel economy surcharge. Just dont make it effect ones insurance rates. Something more along the lines of a slap on the wrist.
 

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I don't remember a temporary 50 mph limit in Mass. back in '73 when the 55 kicked in, nor have I seen it documented in highway maps I have from that era. I lived in Mass at the time and distinctly remember losing the 60 and 65 mph zones. I was 8 yrs old at the time but very number and road sign oriented, just as now.

Mass was also very slow to give up 55 when the feds okayed 65 in the late 80s. New Hampshire went right back up to 65 (They had been 70 before '73) and snooty Bay Staters poo-pooed New Hampshire's apparent insanity with a satire on their car tag - "live fast and die" Mass. (It took a Republican) finally went to 65, but in little baby steps starting with rural sections of the pike and working their way along a few other rural (to the extent anywhere is rural up there)

The funniest combination of signs I've seen is on a rural surface 4 lane road in New Mexico - "Speed Limit 75", and "Watch for Cyclists", both on the same pole. Yikes!

One last thought - who can first reply with the answer to the question when and under what circumstances was the national maximum speed limit 40 mph?
 

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Re: nytimes.com - ...Energy Fix: A 55 MPH Speed Li

Another observation - fuel price doesn't seem to make much of an impact on vehicle speeds.
Fuel price effects vehicle efficiency and vehicle use. At $6/gallon - fuel cost becomes a major incentive to buy an efficeint car, combine trips & bike / walk / use public transportation more.

like today, the speed limit is a farce
so true. if americans just drove the current posted speed limits i bet nationwide fuel savings would be more than 10%.

have driven under the 55mph yoke, and I NEVER want to have to do that again
the question is "what is america as a country willing to do to reduce oil use?"

California tried to legislate increased fuel economy (reduced greenhouse gasses) and they are in the process of being sued by the auto industry: Carmakers Sue California Over Groundbreaking Clean Cars Law



i hope the president's hybrid and diesel vehicle tax incentives, combined with BioDiesel distributer tax incentives, make a difference - but IMO we will be lucky if collectively they can even slow the rate of increase in oil use. IMO - actually reducing US oil use will take legislation that effects everyone - not merely clean-diesel and hybrid drivers.
 

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They used to have that out west during the 55 mph era. As long as you were at a speed reasonable for conditions you'd get a very minor no-points ticket for $5-$15. Some states out there labeled them "wasting natural resources" tickets or similar. I remember hearing they were $5 - pay the cop directly and go on your way in Montana, and not much more in Wyoming and Nevada.

What you are essentially advocating is that so long as you are only exceeding a posted limit that is lower than the design limit for the road, you should only receive a slap on the wrist. OK, I say, why bother in the first place. The citation process itself is inefficient and wasteful. You would have me sit in a patrol car all day on the 'pike and chase your butt down for driving 70 mph in a 55 zone...on a road designed for 70. I don't want to sit out there with my rear end poked into a travel lane in rain snow or wind looking at your paperwork and sroking out a bs ticket while all the other traffic slows down mesmerized by the blue lights. What I should be doing is riding around looking for drunks, tailgaters and weavers, and hammering them with real tickets or hauling them and their cars off to separate jails.

Raise the fuel tax a few cents and you create an effective tax or penalty on fast drivers, keep personal choice in the system and leave cops to do real life-saving work and keep the respect of the people they police.
 

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Watercop, if you ever say anything that reasonable again I think you will break the Internet. Please keep all future responses to short knee-jerk jingoism.


Sheesh, you are making this discussion board look rational.
 

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Watercop, your right. I guess my idea was inherently flawed. What about just the idea of a "fuel waste" surcharge tacked on to every ticket?

And oh man are those blue lights mesmorizing...I have been able to deal with the normal ones... but they just the Blue LED lights here and I cant take my eyes off them....
 

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Considering the source... How about a 55 mph speed limit for Manhattan, and the NY Times stop trying to micromanage the rest of the country?
 

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I and most others don't much like cops being tax collectors. It's bad enough being marriage counselors all night.

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NY was one of the very last states to abandon the 55 on rural interstates, and irrationally clings to it on limited access state highways. Their 85th percentile speed, absent congestion, is 75-80 just like everywhere else.
 

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Why do we always assume there is some "government" response necessary to anything at all? I, for one, have been 100% unimpressed by most everything the government has ever done. We should not add more tax (should remove all of the tax on fuel); we should not even have a speed limit at all; we should just go on. Those who can afford $5 or $6 a gallon fuel will drive; those who can afford to drive Hummers, etc., can certainly continue to do so; those who cannot afford fuel can walk or take the bus, etc. Not a problem.
 
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