Dieselgate: Volkswagen to Spend Up to $14.7 Billion to Settle ...

What will you with your Dieselgate TDI

  • Turn it in for the cash.

    Votes: 319 67.6%
  • Bring it in for the "fix" and the cash.

    Votes: 81 17.2%
  • Do nothing but keep driving.

    Votes: 72 15.3%

  • Total voters
    472
  • Poll closed .
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Borsig

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2015 Golf TDI SE, 2015 GSW SEL (buyback), 2011 JSW (sold)
Why the hell should I have to assume the risk on this if epa doesnt agree to a fix?

The buyback on my 2015 doesnt make me whole. I want compensation for decreased value. Not to wait on some epa bureaucrat to apporve a fix. What if some idiot totals my car? Then what?

Its like they are leveraging you to take the buyback. Its not enough. They'd have to give me a MASSIVE discount on a new vw wagon for me to take that.

I want to know why I can't be compensated for vws fraud up front? Why should the consumer have to assume the risk of a totaled car or epa and vw not agreeing?
 

fredthe

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I'm wondering if these amounts will be prorated if I choose to turn my car in Oct 2016 vs May 2018.
Look at the mileage tables. There is a 1,042 mile/month adjustment, so you reduce your mileage at turn-in by that amount (based on number of months since Sep 2015) to figure out the payment.
 

Borsig

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2015 Golf TDI SE, 2015 GSW SEL (buyback), 2011 JSW (sold)
There is additional language for Gen 3 owners electing modification. It looks like there are 2 stages to the modification so they must already have a plan. From the documents:
So I get my compensation held hostage? Stages? Again why does the consumer assume risk of lost value?

Or take a buyback that will cause me to lose 2k and my trade equity.
 

kylin

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PA
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2015 passat
Dealers should encourage affected customers to participate in the Settlements. Dealers cannot
offer customers any compensation or benefits that interfere with, or dissuade, customer
participation in the Settlements.

Dealership Program Ambassadors within each store will be nominated and trained to support
processes for buybacks, lease terminations, and (if approved by regulators) emissions
modifications. Eligible customers will schedule appointments for these online or by phone. The
Company and third-party Settlement Specialists will process all payments to customers.
 

Borsig

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Joined
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2015 Golf TDI SE, 2015 GSW SEL (buyback), 2011 JSW (sold)
I love how some people make out like bandits and 2015 owners are getting the shaft.

Love it.
 

fredthe

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I love how some people make out like bandits and 2015 owners are getting the shaft..
I'm not sure how, I have a '15 GSW that I bought in August, I basically get back what I paid and I've got free use of it until the buyback. Not that I'm planning to give it up, but it seems fair.
 

jellomania

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2015 passat tdi sel premium
nobody seems to be mentioning the extended warranty if you opt for the modification.

120k or 150k, 10 years, on emissions system and long block(includes exhaust after treatment system, fuel system, egr system, turbo, computer, dpf)
 

Borsig

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I'm not sure how, I have a '15 GSW that I bought in August, I basically get back what I paid and I've got free use of it until the buyback. Not that I'm planning to give it up, but it seems fair.
Because my payment in the fall would be roughly 30k. My car with taxes and everything else was around 33k.

So I lose 3k? Owners of 2015s should have ZERO net loss.
 

Borsig

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2015 Golf TDI SE, 2015 GSW SEL (buyback), 2011 JSW (sold)
nobody seems to be mentioning the extended warranty if you opt for the modification.

120k or 150k, 10 years, on emissions system and long block(includes exhaust after treatment system, fuel system, egr system, turbo, computer, dpf)

IF they agree. If.

I want the fix, but I dont want it bound to some vw / epa agreement.

I see that as being a loophole and a way to screw me
 

tvmaster

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Socal
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2010 JSW
OK, now I'm officially confused. The amount calculated for mileage adjustment, in our case from what I can figure out is $4890....

does that get ADDED to the KBB amount, or SUBTRACTED?

If the later, it's time to lawyer-up (which, we hear, VW has to pay 100% of lawyers court costs)

so which is it?
 

flyanddive

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2010 Jetta TDI
OK, now I'm officially confused. The amount calculated for mileage adjustment, in our case from what I can figure out is $4890....

does that get ADDED to the KBB amount, or SUBTRACTED?

If the later, it's time to lawyer-up (which, we hear, VW has to pay 100% of lawyers court costs)

so which is it?
Add $4980 to the table A buyback amount.
 

fredthe

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And more from the EPA document, VW must provide information on the mileage imapact of any modifications:
Specify the fuel economy and emissions impacts of the Proposed
Emissions Modification. Settling Defendants must measure, and provide to EPA and
CARB, the fuel economy and emissions impacts of the Proposed Emissions Modification
 

tdiDreaming

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For those of us that put on a lot of miles these warranties may be meaningless by the time an actual fix is agreed upon/implemented. Wonder what we are supposed to do if the related parts break between now and then....I'm betting we get to fork over the money.

IF they agree. If.

I want the fix, but I dont want it bound to some vw / epa agreement.

I see that as being a loophole and a way to screw me
 

740GLE

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2015 Passat SEL, 2017 Alltrack SE; BB 2010 Sedan Man; 2012 Passat,
nobody seems to be mentioning the extended warranty if you opt for the modification.

120k or 150k, 10 years, on emissions system and long block(includes exhaust after treatment system, fuel system, egr system, turbo, computer, dpf)
cause no modifications has been formally submitted let along "approved" baby steps
 

fredthe

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For those of us that put on a lot of miles these warranties may be meaningless by the time an actual fix is agreed upon/implemented. Wonder what we are supposed to do if the related parts break between now and then....I'm betting we get to fork over the money.
That's my immediate question too. I'm planning on keeping both of our TDIs, but my Passat has the AdBlue heater problem. It's out of warranty now, but would be covered by the warranty for the fix.

As for high mileage before the fix, there is also a warranty for 4 years/48k miles after the fix.
 

flyanddive

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cause no modifications has been formally submitted let along "approved" baby steps
I highly doubt there will be a fix for the gen 1 and 2 cars. The Gen 3 has the ability to be fixed because that engine was designed to take on a treatment system.
 

pknopp

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Dealers should encourage affected customers to participate in the Settlements. Dealers cannot
offer customers any compensation or benefits that interfere with, or dissuade, customer
participation in the Settlements.

Dealership Program Ambassadors within each store will be nominated and trained to support
processes for buybacks, lease terminations, and (if approved by regulators) emissions
modifications. Eligible customers will schedule appointments for these online or by phone. The
Company and third-party Settlement Specialists will process all payments to customers.
Dealers are probably going to make out big time. There will be a portion of owners that want to stick with VW. They are going to have a wad of cash, in need of a car and the dealer will get first crack at them.

I need a truck. I'd consider VW still if only they had a truck.
 

senez

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Raleigh, NC
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15 Passat DSG
So for a 2015 Passat SE 6MT & 36k miles...
Assuming July, so 10 months = 10,420 mile adjustment

$27107 Buyback Money
$7007 Modification Money

And according to the language in the order, VW would have to pay the difference between what I owe on the note and the buyback compensation.

Makes sense to go that route, if I did the calculations right.
 

PFCoppinger

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Agree with tdiDreaming, and I am in the same boat. I pile on the miles, which means that I will burn the warranties, it seems, pretty quickly.

I might be miscalculating the math, because it seems like my 2014 JSW with 72K miles will produce a larger buyback payment than I expected.

In any event, because the mileage adjustment simply assumes 1042 miles/month, rather than counting actual miles, high-mileage drivers get penalized for waiting because the "adjusted mileage" for September 2015 will increase over time.

hmmm
 

iamatt

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2014 Jetta 6 Speed manual
If we have a modified non DEF equipped vehicle and opt for the fix , wonder what they are going to do? pull off our exhausts and replace with VW one and neuter ECU? Will vendors offer to retune the ECU after the fix for those who got a malone tune? Hmmmm
 

fan of fanboys

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So if I did my math right I have a 2014 Jetta with power seat, Fender, Aluminum/alloy wheels, power sunroof and I am in the southeast
doing the mileage deduction my buyback would be
$24,647

and the fix would be $6,667

I currently own right at $20k on the car

So I would pocket $4,467 with buyback and $6,667 with fix

for me that is not enough money for the buyback
 

Borsig

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Where are people seeing this warranty extension documented? I don't see it
 

fan of fanboys

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So for a 2015 Passat SE 6MT & 36k miles...
Assuming July, so 10 months = 10,420 mile adjustment
$27107 Buyback Money
$7007 Modification Money
And according to the language in the order, VW would have to pay the difference between what I owe on the note and the buyback compensation.
Makes sense to go that route, if I did the calculations right.
what does that mean, they will pay difference in what you owe and the buyback?

so I owe $20K and my buyback is $24,467

Where would I end up?
 

FVWVWF

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Canada
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Sold - 2012 TDI Highline Manual
Crap. Missed that. I was getting hopeful.

Wonder how they are going to screw us on the exchange rate.
No kidding. I was using the US/miles charts to compare what could possibly happen in Canada because we already know we got shafted with the $1000 cards.
 

fredthe

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More info on the possible modifications, from the EPA docs.

For Gen 1 :confused:What, no added SCR???:confused:
3.2.1 Require the installation of a new exhaust flap, EGR filter, and NOx Trap
that meets the specifications of BASF TEX2064, as proposed by Settling Defendants to
EPA and CARB on January 28, 2016, or, subject to EPA/CARB approval, such other
functionally and effectively equivalent hardware or software, provided that Settling
Defendants propose such other hardware or software in the applicable Proposed
Emissions Modification.
For Gen 2 :pNo Cheating:p
3.3.1 Require that the SCR system is capable of detecting the presence of
mostly to entirely water (less than 1% DEF) in the DEF tank and initiating Inducements
based on such detection. Settling Defendants must describe all Inducement strategies and
such Inducement strategies must be consistent with the SCR Guidelines and the original
certification applications submitted by Settling Defendants.
For Gen 3 :eek::eek:More required Maintenance:eek::eek:
3.4.1 Require the future installation of OBD hardware and software to achieve
compliant SCR monitoring, including the addition of a Second NOx Sensor in a
Subsequent Service Action according to the mileage intervals and schedule described in
subparagraph 3.4.3 (i.e., full volume SCR system monitoring with a downstream NOx
sensor).
3.4.2 Describe the NOx sensor or DEF system capable of detecting poor
reductant quality, including emission and dilution detection levels, and how the vehicles
will detect poor quality DEF and initiate Inducements, and require the installation of such
strategies.
3.4.3 Require the installation of the Second NOx Sensor and a new DOC or
DOCs (if necessary to ensure compliant emissions performance for 150,000 miles)
according to the following mileage intervals and schedule:

i. If, in the Proposed Emissions Modification, Settling Defendants
demonstrate durability of the current DOC for 90,000 miles, then Settling
Defendants must install the Second NOx Sensor and the new DOC at
90,000 miles or by January 1, 2020, whichever comes first, in a single
Subsequent Service Action.
ii. If, in the Proposed Emissions Modification, Settling Defendants
demonstrate durability of the current DOC for 120,000 miles, then Settling
Defendants must install the Second NOx Sensor and the new DOC at
120,000 miles or by January 1, 2020 whichever comes first, in a single
Subsequent Service Action.
iii. If, in the Proposed Emissions Modification, Settling Defendants
demonstrate durability of the current DOC for 150,000 miles, then Settling
Defendants are not required to replace the DOC and must install the
Second NOx Sensor in a single Subsequent Service Action beginning in
the 4th quarter of 2017, to be completed by January 1, 2020.
 
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parisot

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If we have a modified non DEF equipped vehicle and opt for the fix , wonder what they are going to do? pull off our exhausts and replace with VW one and neuter ECU? Will vendors offer to retune the ECU after the fix for those who got a malone tune? Hmmmm
I'm interested in this as well. Or if I opt for the buyback, do they even care?
 
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