2010 Jetta - DPF Excessive Soot Acumulation

hntwhitetail · Mar 26, 2014

TurboABA said:
It's under adaptation and one of the channels.... can't recall exactly right now.... I'll have to dig into my records.....

Why do you want to know? There's a good chance that you can start your car on fire and/or damage components by doing what I did and "tricking" the system to regen under conditions that aren't safe.......

I don't want to get blamed for people burning down their cars

I was wondering if you could pm me or let me know how you accomplished this. I am having the same issue. Thanks

TurboABA · Mar 27, 2014

hntwhitetail said:
I was wondering if you could pm me or let me know how you accomplished this. I am having the same issue. Thanks

Can you provide some more details regarding what you've done or what has happened to make to reach this point?

hntwhitetail · Apr 14, 2014

TurboABA said:
Can you provide some more details regarding what you've done or what has happened to make to reach this point?

I've tried doing the hard regen as the manual states. I also hooked my car up to the VCDS, after getting in touch with someone on here and am getting 50.1 and I think the other number was 11.3 and would never regenerate after following the instructions. We tried both a standing regen and then a driving regen. I apologize for the late response, I have been out of town.

Thanks

TurboABA · Apr 14, 2014

hntwhitetail said:
I've tried doing the hard regen as the manual states. I also hooked my car up to the VCDS, after getting in touch with someone on here and am getting 50.1 and I think the other number was 11.3 and would never regenerate after following the instructions. We tried both a standing regen and then a driving regen. I apologize for the late response, I have been out of town.

Thanks

The system is in a "fail safe mode" and it will not allow a regen once you're past the 45g value so that you don't burn the car down!

What caused your value to climb this high? (your regens have stopped, lights have gone on, and DPF has been clogged) Have those "triggers" been dealt with?

hntwhitetail · May 8, 2014

TurboABA said:
The system is in a "fail safe mode" and it will not allow a regen once you're past the 45g value so that you don't burn the car down!

What caused your value to climb this high? (your regens have stopped, lights have gone on, and DPF has been clogged) Have those "triggers" been dealt with?

Here is what happened for my lights to come on:

I have 2 codes that are continuously coming on with my 2010 Jetta TDI. I am getting 2 codes that are the same for p2463 and 2 codes for p2458. When I erase the codes, 1 p2463 always stays.

I have did some searching and am in need of some help. The DPF light stays on, the glow plug light flashes, and the check engine light is on.

A little background. About 3 weeks ago when we were having 0 to 10degree weather I ran over some ice / accumulated snow and it ripped 2 wires out of a connector and this put the the car's check engine light on along w/ the flashing glow plug light and gave me the code about the exhaust temperature sensor. About a week later, before I could get the new connector and get a chance to work on the Jetta, the DPF light came on. It would stay on and then the next time I started the car, it would go off. It was staying on all the time the next few days before I got a chance to fixe the wires to the exhaust temperature sensor (orange connector). So I fix those wires and now I am getting these 2 codes. While searching on here, I have driven the car from 3k rpmp to 3.2k rpm on my 40min commute to work each day. I changed the oil last night, and I am thinking the previous owner did not use the 507 00, it looked real dirty / sooty so I changed filter / oil w/ the MObil 1 ESP 5w-30. The lights are still on, I can erase the codes w/ my little handheld scanner while driving, but the one p2463 always stays.

I was wondering if there is anything else to try? If I locate someone around the central Ohio area, would a VCDS beable to see what was going on?

Thanks for any information. I like the car, still getting 42-44mpg.

Here is info from that thread:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=409854

I'm just trying to see how you got yours to be able to burn off / reset. It appears your limits were just like mine about the 45g value. I know the chances of the car burning down, but it looks like it has worked for you and was hoping I could get your steps to get this shook out. The car is a great driver, I just have these lights that keep flashing. Thanks in advance.

meerschm · May 8, 2014

pretty sure the P2463 is DPF soot

VCDS could tell you what is up. and if it is not to late, Start a regen.

if you do not have a VCDS, how do you know you are over 45grams of soot? does the P2463 code include a value?

hntwhitetail · May 8, 2014

I met a fellow member on this forum who has a VCDS.

Here is some information that he posted in this link:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=409854

So we were able to get together last night..

His measuring block 241.2 was over 50 (50.1 I think when he left) and his 241.3 was at 11.7 or so when he left..

tried the regeneration while standing first, but could not get that to do anything and it kept throwing error messages,

set him up on a regeneration while driving, and while the EGT sensors in Measuring blocks 99.1,99.2 & 99.3 were reading above the specs 200, 150, 150 while he was driving, they never got super high like I would expect them to during a regen.(I wasnt in the car but he never noticed anything much over 200-250*) and his soot load didnt go down.

I am afraid that he needs a new downpipe/DPF but am not sure.

he is willing to make the car off road only, but I am not familiar enough with them to know what all is involved.

Discuss

Thanks in advance for anymore help

TurboABA · May 8, 2014

hntwhitetail said:
I am afraid that he needs a new downpipe/DPF but am not sure.

he is willing to make the car off road only, but I am not familiar enough with them to know what all is involved.

Discuss

Thanks in advance for anymore help

The DPF is clogged beyond a point where a "safe" regeneration is possible. The safe option is to remove and clean/replace it, or make the car OFF ROAD only, etc.

I can tell you how to trick the system with VCDS as I did, but there is a very good chance that you will damage other things or potentially start the car on fire.

If you are willing to take those risks, I cannot be held responsible for whatever happens.

It's impossible to know how "clogged" your DPF is.... we have no way of knowing or controlling how HOT the contents will burn, or for what length of time. If you read in my earlier posts in this thread, my "forced" regen was sustained for a very long time, at very high temperatures.

meerschm · May 8, 2014

http://www.fsxinc.com/Clean/dpf/dpfTypes.html

you can pull the DPF and ship it to these folks and they will clean and ship it back

it sounds like this could be done for quite a bit less $$ than the cost of conversion to an illegal configuration

hntwhitetail · May 9, 2014

TurboABA said:
The DPF is clogged beyond a point where a "safe" regeneration is possible. The safe option is to remove and clean/replace it, or make the car OFF ROAD only, etc.

I can tell you how to trick the system with VCDS as I did, but there is a very good chance that you will damage other things or potentially start the car on fire.

If you are willing to take those risks, I cannot be held responsible for whatever happens.

It's impossible to know how "clogged" your DPF is.... we have no way of knowing or controlling how HOT the contents will burn, or for what length of time. If you read in my earlier posts in this thread, my "forced" regen was sustained for a very long time, at very high temperatures.

I understand the repurcussions of forcing a regen. That is the risk I'm willing to take. Just trying to get this shook out.

VeeDubTDI · May 12, 2014

hntwhitetail said:
I met a fellow member on this forum who has a VCDS.

Here is some information that he posted in this link:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=409854

So we were able to get together last night..

His measuring block 241.2 was over 50 (50.1 I think when he left) and his 241.3 was at 11.7 or so when he left..

tried the regeneration while standing first, but could not get that to do anything and it kept throwing error messages,

set him up on a regeneration while driving, and while the EGT sensors in Measuring blocks 99.1,99.2 & 99.3 were reading above the specs 200, 150, 150 while he was driving, they never got super high like I would expect them to during a regen.(I wasnt in the car but he never noticed anything much over 200-250*) and his soot load didnt go down.

I am afraid that he needs a new downpipe/DPF but am not sure.

he is willing to make the car off road only, but I am not familiar enough with them to know what all is involved.

Discuss

Thanks in advance for anymore help

What were the error messages?

hntwhitetail · May 12, 2014

It would not let him regen it while standing still. I am hoping that i can get some info so a forced regen can take place. I am willing to take the chances. I do not do much stop and go. I am either cruising @ 62 or 77mph.

DPM · May 12, 2014

cruising won't get any heat into the dpf. WOT/ hard acceleration will tho, and you might just get enough passive regen in this state to improve matters.

Repeated hard 3rd or 4th gear pulls as well as occasional constant 3-4k steady state, would be worth a try for an hour on the highway.

VeeDubTDI · May 13, 2014

You'd burn your brakes out trying to get enough heat into the DPF without climbing up a mountain or doing an active regen.

Unless you can do a long hill climb, I think you're only going to make matters worse.

Claudio · May 14, 2014

i thought you just needed to drive 15 min at 3K rpm in order to activate a passive regen?

TurboABA · May 17, 2014

Have you fix and/or replaced all the faulty sensors/wiring?
If you have cleared all other errors, and all you have is the soot buildup you can "trick" the system and hope for the best.

TurboABA · May 17, 2014

DPM said:
cruising won't get any heat into the dpf. WOT/ hard acceleration will tho, and you might just get enough passive regen in this state to improve matters.

Repeated hard 3rd or 4th gear pulls as well as occasional constant 3-4k steady state, would be worth a try for an hour on the highway.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=4305046&postcount=20

hntwhitetail · May 19, 2014

TurboABA said:
Have you fix and/or replaced all the faulty sensors/wiring?
If you have cleared all other errors, and all you have is the soot buildup you can "trick" the system and hope for the best.

Thanks for replying back. I've fixed the wires and there are no other codes except the codes about the DPF. I think I am needing some more "hints" about tricking the system w/ the VCDS to get the regen started @ my risk.

hntwhitetail · Jun 5, 2014

Was able to get a regen @ 50.1 w/ "changing" a few values w/ the VCDS. I appreciate all the help.

jessemoc · Aug 28, 2014

Could you share the "hint"?

I've got a 2010 JSW TDI...let a bad throttle valve stay in too long and wasn't able to do regeneration. I'm at 50.1 calculated soot load (seems like it's the max) though I haven't been at it very long...I understand the risks!

TurboABA · Sep 2, 2014

PM sent

Luncan · Oct 1, 2014

Same here let at bad throttle stay in to long. I´m at 48,2 soot load. Is it possible that you can share the "hint"... I understand the risks

jessemoc · Oct 3, 2014

Sent a PM

JonFavTDI · Oct 7, 2014

I am also trying to reset the ECU for Soot Accumulation due to losing my alternator and driving the battery down, threw all kinds of lights on the dash including the DPF, check engine and blinking glow plug coil. (plus many others) Reading is 50.1 for soot accumulation, need to clear for my emission sticker. Hoping to reset this weekend. Thanks.

TurboABA · Oct 9, 2014

Do this at your own risk and don't blame me for anything that happens LOL

You need to go under adaptation and channel 11 or 13... I can't recall exactly. You will be able to enter a 0 or a 1 in one of those in order to zero out all the values.... just so you know, they will not "accumulate" any longer after this... at least mine never have since..... my stored ash is staying at zero indefinitely so I will never know when I'm getting close to full capacity.

After you zero them out, you will need to trigger an emergency regen and hope for the best.... make sure you have insurance or take a fire extinguisher with you.... I did LOL

Good luck and let me know if you get it to regen.

TurboABA · Oct 12, 2014

UPDATE: I just checked my car, and it appears that it is still recording accumulated soot...... I guess it just took longer than I had expected for it to accumulate

http://i62.tinypic.com/2z5ook6.jpg

thecause17 · Oct 12, 2014

About how many miles did it take before you got a number? I've been at 0 for quite some time since I had a new DPF installed. I reset it because the dealer did not reset the values, but knew you hadn't seen any numbers at the time. It'd be great if eventually mine did as well.

TurboABA · Oct 12, 2014

I'm actually trying to backtrack and determine that now.... I've driven about 32000-35000 kms since I reset mine..... but last time I checked it (and it was still at zero) I was about 15000 kms ago.......

That being said, I have as of the last few months relocated and my driving patterns and conditions have changed, so I am seeing a lot more regens compared to my previous drives....

So it all comes down to what kind of driving you do.... if you deal with a lot of short drivers, stop and go, traffic jams, etc, I would suspect that you should see something register after as little as 2k worth of milage....... but if you do a lot of long drives at high speeds, you might not see anything for 15-20k.....

thecause17 · Oct 12, 2014

That a lot more than I thought you were going to say, which means mine may do the same thing. I've only driven about 7000 miles (~11,000kms) since my change. I check it every once in a while, usually if I'm in VCDS for another reason like a fuel filter change. Last time I checked it was still zero but that still would've been at considerably less mileage than it took yours it seems.

My trips aren't what I'd call long, but it's very flat here so the car doesn't get worked very hard unless I run it hard intentionally. I make a point of getting out on the highway to get some passive regens in, and every once in a while it does an active regen, but not what I'd call often.

bobt2382 · Oct 12, 2014

This thread shows ash loads from member's TDIs.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=324067
Takes about 7-10K miles to show a change. 9ml is normal reading after 7-10K. Mine reads 60ml and I'm at 73k miles. Glad to see that your ecu is capturing ash load data.

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