Talk of 35 % TAX on Germany's VW~BMW~MB cars made off US soil

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I seriously do not think that will happen

But if it does ......

Among other things it will put a cash resale floor under the existing cars here now.

Guessing not made on US soil means Passat is the only keeper?

Personally I would like to see more factories built here.

That goes for Toyota, Honda, Nissan ~~~ et.al

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Can anyone imagine the possible resale value of a nice used VW if a large TAX is on new imports
 

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Completely irrelevant to Dieselgate. Reported.

With all respect

If I am out of bounds may I please apologize?

Only to say if a TAXax comes quickly to the arena of Dieselgate buybacks and "fixes"might be affected

Some owners might delay a BB, and-or the fix.

IMO, if a large TAX comes to new imports, current cars will be valued higher.

Could even effect the total number of settlements
 

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There is no telling what that president-elect of yours is going to do. He is a loose cannon.
May you live in interesting times.
I do not know how to feel about the fact he (most likely) is a loose cannon. Guess time will tell.

One fact I am happy with is he may be creating some new American jobs, even before he is in office. :D
 

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Key word being "may".

Turning the clock back to 1960 on the American economy will not work in this day and age.

Creating a small number of short-term low-paying jobs for coal miners is not worth the tradeoff in the long term of a loss of high-tech jobs in alternative-energy R&D and production, for example.

If he enacts heavy import tariffs, expect a trade war with retaliatory tariffs imposed by other countries. His apparent goal of importing nothing while making everything in the USA has the consequence of also not being able to export anything when the retaliatory measures imposed by other companies is accounted for.

BMW exports more cars from the USA than they import to the USA. Spartanburg builds all X3, X4, X5, X6 for worldwide consumption and 70% are exported.
 

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Chicken

25% tariff on imported light trucks has existed since 1963 and is still in effect. It was targeted at VW.
Chicken Tax.
 

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Key word being "may".
Turning the clock back to 1960 on the American economy will not work in this day and age.
Creating a small number of short-term low-paying jobs for coal miners is not worth the tradeoff in the long term of a loss of high-tech jobs in alternative-energy R&D and production, for example.
If he enacts heavy import tariffs, expect a trade war with retaliatory tariffs imposed by other countries. His apparent goal of importing nothing while making everything in the USA has the consequence of also not being able to export anything when the retaliatory measures imposed by other companies is accounted for.
BMW exports more cars from the USA than they import to the USA. Spartanburg builds all X3, X4, X5, X6 for worldwide consumption and 70% are exported.
With all respects

Where-How-When-What (loss of) high tech jobs are you referring to?
 

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Chicken TAX

25% tariff on imported light trucks has existed since 1963 and is still in effect. It was targeted at VW.
Chicken Tax
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At 25 percent, the import tariff is virtually prohibitive. In 2001, fewer than 7,000 pickups were imported from outside North America. That’s only 0.23 percent of almost 3 million purchased. Without imports, supply is smaller, choices are fewer, and domestic producers are the only game in town. It’s a veritable sellers’ market, sanctioned under official U.S. policy. And truck buyers — if you’ll pardon the pun — carry the load.


The tariff is a vestige of a 40-year old dispute between the United States and Europe. In 1962, the European Economic Community raised import tariffs on chicken, which U.S. exporters were selling with great success in Europe.
After diplomacy failed, President Johnson authorized retaliatory tariffs against four products important to European exporters. Among them was “automobile trucks,” a key export of West Germany’s Volkswagen.


Intended to persuade Europe to abandon its protectionist chicken policy, the truck tariff was an abject failure. U.S. exporters quickly lost the European chicken market and Volkswagen cargo vans and pickup trucks practically disappeared from the U.S. market.
Japanese producers, who were beginning to export pickups to the United States at that time, were also hurt by the tariff. To remain viable, they began exporting chassis (the entire truck minus the bed), which were subject to a more tolerable 4 percent tariff. After importation, a bed was attached to the chassis and the unit was sold as a pickup truck. The once-ubiquitous Chevy Luv was constructed from Japanese parts and sold according to this formula.


In 1980, at the behest of the Big Three and the United Autoworkers, the U.S. Customs Service reclassified cab chassis as trucks, subjecting them to the 25 percent duty and closing the loophole through which foreign light trucks were made available to U.S. consumers.


U.S. protectionism encouraged Japanese investment in U.S. vehicle production. First came Honda in 1982. Soon after came Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, Subaru, Isuzu, and Mitsubishi, and even the Germany-based BMW and Mercedes-Benz. Today, 32 different foreign nameplate vehicles are produced in the United States.
 

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Trump's proposed 35% import tax is not just on autos. It's on anything produced outside of the US to be sold in the US and may effect all aspects of daily life. This will probably include products made in Canada. Rather than pushing the US economy back to the 1960s, it will be closer to the 1920s.

My favorite example of a way to get around the chicken tax was the Subaru Brat. It has two jump seats installed in the bed so that it could be sold as a four seater.
 
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this would all be a big worry if the US economy wasn't already in the toilet by allowing veyr lopsided trade, especially with China. Ever notice THEIR import tariffs?????

Essentially, since the last SEVERAL administrations have changed the economy from capitalist to Casino Capitalist, Wall Street has emptied the pockets of those who once invested in real business on Main Street to play their games in speculation. That, plus $20Trillion in debt means the US really has nothing to lose.

Trump is very right to tell the rest of the world to p1ss off while he tries desperately to do SOMETHING to restore the US to a productive society. Nobody else has or will.
 

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this would all be a big worry if the US economy wasn't already in the toilet by allowing veyr lopsided trade, especially with China. Ever notice THEIR import tariffs?????

Essentially, since the last SEVERAL administrations have changed the economy from capitalist to Casino Capitalist, Wall Street has emptied the pockets of those who once invested in real business on Main Street to play their games in speculation. That, plus $20Trillion in debt means the US really has nothing to lose.

Trump is very right to tell the rest of the world to p1ss off while he tries desperately to do SOMETHING to restore the US to a productive society. Nobody else has or will.
40 years ago went head to heads with my "ECON" Prof ~~ my thoughts were that Debt in general (both personal and national) was an insane way to go.

Now here we are.

IMO I was a "B+" student -- SOB gave me a "C"

OMPO ~~ maybe a lower CORP and personal tax rate(s) will jump start the economy -- Hoping it gets better for all.
 

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One fact I am happy with is he may be creating some new American jobs, even before he is in office. :D
He could also be endangering American jobs.
One example: BMW's plant in Spartanburg makes more than 400,000 SUVs every year.
Only 30% of those are for the domestic market, the rest is for export. BMW is the largest exporter of US-made vehicles, period. (As Spicer would say)
If Trump introduced high tariffs for imports, others would probably follow. Even if they didn't, making cars in the US with a high content of imported parts FOR EXPORT would suddenly seem a lot less attractive.
If I were BMW, I'd put the planned expansion of Spartanburg on hold until the future economic policy was less vague. In the case of a trade war started by Trump, a large, export-focused factory in the US would be a huge liability.
 

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Tariffs go both ways, and if it becomes expensive to cross the border in either direction, it will increase costs (more than just the tariff itself) and reduce consumer choice.

It's better for BMW to make all of the SUVs for worldwide consumption from this one plant (which happens to be in USA), and all of the 3-series and 5-series for worldwide consumption from another plant (which happens to be in Germany).

If tariffs become prohibitive so that everything has to come from the home country and nowhere else, then either (1) BMW has to duplicate all of the 3-series and 5-series tooling and put it in Spartanburg while also duplicating all of the SUV tooling and put that in Germany so that each country only makes vehicles for its home market but now you have multiple plants each making a lower production rate, which costs more (and in fact it would be prohibitive), OR (2) BMW cancels availability of all models that are not built in the home market. If you are in North America you can only buy a SUV but not the 3 or 5 series. If you are in Germany you can only buy the 3 or 5 series but not the SUV. Even in this case it increases costs, because not everyone here wants the SUV and not everyone in Germany wants the 3 or 5.

All of the Chrysler LX cars (300, Charger, Challenger) for worldwide consumption (although sales outside Canada/USA are very small) are built in Canada. There's not enough of a market for those in Canada alone.

Jeep Wrangler and Cherokee are built in USA. While the US market is big enough to sustain them they would lose the Canadian (and european and elsewhere) market for them.
 

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Tariffs go both ways, and if it becomes expensive to cross the border in either direction, it will increase costs (more than just the tariff itself) and reduce consumer choice.

It's better for BMW to make all of the SUVs for worldwide consumption from this one plant (which happens to be in USA), and all of the 3-series and 5-series for worldwide consumption from another plant (which happens to be in Germany).

If tariffs become prohibitive so that everything has to come from the home country and nowhere else, then either (1) BMW has to duplicate all of the 3-series and 5-series tooling and put it in Spartanburg while also duplicating all of the SUV tooling and put that in Germany so that each country only makes vehicles for its home market but now you have multiple plants each making a lower production rate, which costs more (and in fact it would be prohibitive), OR (2) BMW cancels availability of all models that are not built in the home market. If you are in North America you can only buy a SUV but not the 3 or 5 series. If you are in Germany you can only buy the 3 or 5 series but not the SUV. Even in this case it increases costs, because not everyone here wants the SUV and not everyone in Germany wants the 3 or 5.

All of the Chrysler LX cars (300, Charger, Challenger) for worldwide consumption (although sales outside Canada/USA are very small) are built in Canada. There's not enough of a market for those in Canada alone.

Jeep Wrangler and Cherokee are built in USA. While the US market is big enough to sustain them they would lose the Canadian (and European and elsewhere) market for them.

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