JFettig
Vendor
Post the corrected numbers and dyno sheet!
Here is a LIST of Available chips/boxes for 2.0 CR TDI – comments/experiences?
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Charrigan
Veteran Member
Weather he posts corrected or not it still will not solve the fact that the dyno is more than likely mis-calibrated to boost dyno numbers. He never did a baseline dyno so asking for proof is pointless. I have seen 100whp differences between 2 local dynos done on the same car and day.
MayorDJQ
Top Post Dawg
A dyno shop wouldn't stay in business very long with a poorly calibrated machine. Before & after dyno reports would be helpful.
rdr58
New member
My 2012 Golf TDI - 4 door
I just joined the site to say this little car is simply fantastic!...that is of course after yesterday getting it back from its REVO stage 1 flash. Once in third gear I just started to laugh! It feels like having a big dog on a leash pulling to get away from you. Most noticeably at 2500 RPM on up and in 3rd and 4th gear. This upgrade along with the 22mm H&R rear sway "woke her up". For under $1000 both those adjustments took the ride from pedestrian to vundabar!
I just joined the site to say this little car is simply fantastic!...that is of course after yesterday getting it back from its REVO stage 1 flash. Once in third gear I just started to laugh! It feels like having a big dog on a leash pulling to get away from you. Most noticeably at 2500 RPM on up and in 3rd and 4th gear. This upgrade along with the 22mm H&R rear sway "woke her up". For under $1000 both those adjustments took the ride from pedestrian to vundabar!
4613
Active member
You Forgot TS PERFORMANCE
MayorDJQ
Top Post Dawg
Unless they made a change between 2010 and 2012 to the Golf suspension, I think my '10 already rides pretty well. I have a pretty tight onramp near me and I can scoot around it pretty fast without worry.
Most of the CR tunes take a little time to really dial in as the ECU adapts to the new maps. You should notice it will get better over the next 500-1,000 miles.
JSWTDI09
Top Post Dawg
This is definitely true with a Revo tune (it's the only one I have experience with) and probably other tunes as well. I was somewhat disappointed when I first left the dealer. It was stronger, but not what I expected. After a while, it learns about all the sensors in your car and it "improves with age". Now my only "problem" is keeping the ESP light from flashing when I floor it in second gear. It has more torque than my tires can handle. A Mustang dyno measured it at 302.9 ft-lbs at the wheel (corrected). I love it.
Have Fun!
Don
Sauron@Mordor
Member
I'd be curious to hear the experiences from anyone who has tried the Revo tune on the 2012 Passat TDI.
Best,
Best,
Blinkinbanana
Active member
At home, pre 100 mi commute when I'm not worried about getting up to normal operating temperature before shut down, yes I have a place to plug it in. Mid week I do not, and in the winter I find my car just barely warm by the time I get to work. I figured the idle would help the most when I'm waiting at traffic lights. Maybe you are right in that it wouldn't make that much of a difference, but I was also interested in the dynamic egr. What do other tuners do with egr? Complete shut off? Or leave it alone?
EvilEvo
Veteran Member
What mods? I would love to make that much TQ. I'm not looking to make insane numbers, as I have my 600awhp S4 for that, but getting some more pep out of the TDI would be nice.
JSWTDI09
Top Post Dawg
No mods except for the tune. More info here: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=346412
These numbers were the best of three runs. After the second run the numbers went down because I was running into EGT limits. Mustang dynos put a lot of load on the car. Details and reactions from a Revo guy are in the above linked thread.
BTW: If you have a DSG, the DSG controller will limit the engine torque during shifts. Therefore power will cut back when the tranny is ready to shift and then it comes back after it has shifted. This has been discussed at length is a few other threads. The only way to "fix" this issue is a DSG tune. I have a manual transmission, so this is not an issue for me.
Have Fun!
Don
EvilEvo
Veteran Member
Cool! I'm looking at either Revo or Unitronic for software. My car is a manual so I don't need to worry about the DSG software either.
As I said, I'm not looking to make the most HP, just looking to give it a bit more pep. Although I might wait a bit before I tune it, as the car only has ~550 miles on it so far. Just looking for reliability and good MPG. The S4 is a killer on gas and it hasn't been the most reliable thing lately, although I put 40k miles on it in 2 years with out much issue.
EvilEvo
Veteran Member
I don't think it is really an issue, but I would love to hear about the longevity of the car with just a tune. Have people put 70-80k on the car with a tune without issues?
Charrigan
Veteran Member
contact chris@revo... they offer tdi tunes worldwide and arguably have the highest # of tunes on the road.
mamock116
Veteran Member
^is he still active here? last post was a month ago.
amd is the best
Veteran Member
Congrats on picking up a TDI from a fellow S4 owner as well
. I am in the situation as you. Want a chip to give it a bit more power. Anxiously awaiting APR's rumored TDI tune specs before I make a decision. My brothers TDI cup is running the Malone stage 2 software with the PDE turbo back exhaust and it make a real nice difference.country_agent
Active member
I thought the exhaust did not matter unless we were going higher hp numbers? Or does stage two require exhaust per Malone? I am getting mine next month DSG and ECU thru Malone!Congrats on picking up a TDI from a fellow S4 owner as well
JSWTDI09
Top Post Dawg
According to Mark (Malone), the stage 1.5 is as far as he suggests you go without deleting the emissions stuff in the exhaust. There is at least one member here how did go to a stage 2 without exhaust mods, but I do not know what the long term effects were. I personally like the idea of "clean diesel" would not do the exhaust mods. Three hundred ft-lbs (410Nm) is plenty of torque for me.
Have Fun!
Don
IndigoBlueWagon
TDIClub Enthusiast, Principal IDParts, Vendor , w/
Well this went off track, didn't it? I subscribed to this thread because I was interested in seeing if anyone has data on how their tuned common rail cars perform. So far I see one, and that's with a DPF delete (I think it is, for some reason my account has a problem with viewing pictures that are on the club, but that's another story).
Power claims and people saying their car "woke up" or "pulls harder" isn't really useful, IMHO. I had planned to get my Golf tuned, even ran a baseline dyno. But I'm now hesitating because (a) people who've done mods to ALHs have told me the improvement for common rail cars pales in comparison; and (b) I don't have any data to show how the power or its delivery will change with a tune.
For now the combination of the lighter 2-door Golf platform and the more powerful stock common rail engine is a good combo. I just need a little convincing to go to a tune. If there's data out there that I've missed I'd love to see it.
Power claims and people saying their car "woke up" or "pulls harder" isn't really useful, IMHO. I had planned to get my Golf tuned, even ran a baseline dyno. But I'm now hesitating because (a) people who've done mods to ALHs have told me the improvement for common rail cars pales in comparison; and (b) I don't have any data to show how the power or its delivery will change with a tune.
For now the combination of the lighter 2-door Golf platform and the more powerful stock common rail engine is a good combo. I just need a little convincing to go to a tune. If there's data out there that I've missed I'd love to see it.
JFettig
Vendor
Peter, With the pictures, you need to log into that part of tdiclub separately sometimes.
Here is a link to some dyno charts on Malone tunes.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=323946
Here is a link to some dyno charts on Malone tunes.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=323946
IndigoBlueWagon
TDIClub Enthusiast, Principal IDParts, Vendor , w/
I've seen these. The baseline is on a dyno dynamics dyno and the tuned runs are on dyno jets. The dyno dynamics dyno is known to be far more conservative than a dynojet. And the baseline number is 10 HP higher than I got (on the same brand dyno): not sure what to think of that.
I think dynos are only useful as comparisons. Same car, dyno, operator, and settings are important.
I think dynos are only useful as comparisons. Same car, dyno, operator, and settings are important.
p_ferlow
Well-known member
- Joined
- Feb 17, 2006
- Location
- W. Vancouver, BC Canada
- TDI
- 09' Jetta TDI Revo tune 6spd, 01' F250 7.3L "tuned"
Got the revo technik tune for my 09' yesterday. It's ok, nothing special. Good midrange torque increase. Maybe revs a bit more eager but generally over 4000rpm not much point, might as well shift and use torque in next gear.
Now the 140hp race tune from my DP Tuner on my 2001 F250 7.3L powerstroke was like turning a donkey into a raped ape. It's a 4x4 crewcab lariat too. ie. 7500+lbs. 0-60mph 9.1secs. My 140hp CR managed 9.5secs on Dynolicious. Haven't run it with the revo tune yet.
So ya... it's ok, not sure it's worth $500-600 bucks.
Now the 140hp race tune from my DP Tuner on my 2001 F250 7.3L powerstroke was like turning a donkey into a raped ape. It's a 4x4 crewcab lariat too. ie. 7500+lbs. 0-60mph 9.1secs. My 140hp CR managed 9.5secs on Dynolicious. Haven't run it with the revo tune yet.
So ya... it's ok, not sure it's worth $500-600 bucks.
mamock116
Veteran Member
aww thats a bummer. I am getting mine on Monday.
Aquila
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 5, 2009
- Location
- Raleigh, NC
- TDI
- *** SOLD 08-27-15***09 JSW - DSG, Nav, F1 Tint, MFSW w/paddles, APR Stage 1, Unitronic DSG flash, HAVE VCDS
APR 2.0 CR TDI tune announced last week! See: http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tdi_140hp.html
Reports on Vortex are encouraging!
Reports on Vortex are encouraging!
JFettig
Vendor
There's a thread here too.
General consensus: 17hp and 46ft-lbs is nothing to get too excited about.
General consensus: 17hp and 46ft-lbs is nothing to get too excited about.
amd is the best
Veteran Member
I'm a happy customer of the APR tune and contrary to the above post, I'm excited about it!
I am the one that was testing the effects of stage 2+ on stock exhuast.. yes the car put out some very nice numbers but egt would reach over 2000+ temps during dpf cycling causing the car to pull boost.. but on a nice cold engine.. the car ran super strong.. the fear is that the engine will pull power during every dpf cycle not allowing it to clean itself over time causing a plugged DPF...
*******UPDATE:
Sorry for the delay on this folks. We now have two years of data!
Initially went with the APR tune as they were the first to market for the 2012 VW Jetta TDI
APR has a lot of nice features, including stock tune and performance tune….. UNFORTUNATELY there was NO difference between stock and performance.
After a year of phone calls and nothing further on their end….
MALONE TUNE Stage 2 (DPF intact), finally the car drives like it should with no sacrifice to economy. (I did not see an improvement in economy either).
I have put 10,000 miles since the tune including 6 track days with no ill effects
I have had several emails back and fourth with Mark at Malone tuning.
I can’t say enough good about him and his answering my geeky/esoteric questions.
The installers were also great Salisbury Motor Car.
I would not hesitate to use either again….
www.salisburymotorcar.com (in the North East)
www.malonetuning.com
Malone also now lists a stage 3 tune with turbo replacement (CR 170 turbo)
also see initial (#1) message in thread
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Well ill just put this out there.. i personally know 2 Commonrail TDI's that were tuned by APR 2013 and 2014 cars.. and both of them are no longer tuned by APR.. both eventually had DPF check engine lights.. leading to the 2014 one having to have his DPF replaced under warranty..