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VW MKIV-A4 TDIs (VE and PD) This is a general discussion about A4/MkIV Jetta (99.5-~2005), Golf(99.5-2006), and New Beetle(98-2006). Both VE and PD engines are covered here.

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Old August 18th, 2017, 14:28   #1
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Bought this car cheap with a non working 01m. VCDS came today.

Friday,18,August,2017,16:11:23:49300
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 17.8.0.1 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4401.4
Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
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Mileage: 211580km-131469mi Repair Order:


Chassis Type: 1C - VW New Beetle (1998 > 2010)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 25 29 35 37 39 46 54 56 65 75

Mileage: 211580km-131469miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-012-AGR.clb
Part No: 038 906 012 N
Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000AG 2509
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 1B60DFEFBAB9C99FAE8-4B1E

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01M-927-733.lbl
Part No: 01M 927 733 HK
Component: AG4 Getriebe 01M 4606
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 005A8883331F0A475BA-0962

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ABS.lbl
Part No: 1J0 907 379 P
Component: ABS 20 IE CAN 0001
Coding: 03504
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 3E26367B096BBCB7696-4AE0

2 Faults Found:
00290 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Rear Left (G46)
35-00 - -
01276 - ABS Hydraulic Pump (V64)
16-10 - Signal Outside Specifications - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
Component: 06 AIRBAG VW5 0003
Coding: 12342
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 353429573C5D7FEFB8C-4B3C

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1C0-920-xx0.lbl
Part No: 1C0 920 901 B
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 V02
Coding: 03202
Shop #: WSC 02635
VCID: 1B60DFEFBAB9C99FAE8-4B1E

Subsystem 1 - Part No: Ident
Component: Nr. Wegfahrs.:VWZ5Z0X7061378
Ident.-Nr. Wegfahrs.:VWZ5Z0X7061378

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part No: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN V022
Coding: 00007
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 70BAD84303BF1AC7ABA-4B1E

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
Part No: 1J0 959 799 AJ
Component: 5X Zentral-SG Komf. 0001
Coding: 00256
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 06569E9B113B2477616-4B00

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1J2959802C
Component: 5X Tőrsteuerger. FS0002F

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1J2959801D
Component: 5X Tőrsteuerger. BF0002r

9 Faults Found:
00945 - Crash Sensor (G190)
29-00 - Short to Ground
00953 - Interior Light Time limit
25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
01131 - Control Circuit for Turn Signals
25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
00932 - Electric Window Motor; Drivers Side (V147)
62-10 - No or Incorrect Adjustment - Intermittent
00943 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Driver Side (Z4)
35-00 - -
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl
Part No: 1C0 035 180 E
Component: RADIO 3CP 0001
Coding: 00403
Shop #: WSC 00066
VCID: 1A6EDAEBB583B097B5E-4B1E

2 Faults Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
36-00 - Open Circuit
00852 - Loudspeaker(s); Front
36-00 - Open Circuit

End----(Elapsed Time: 03:28, VBatt start/end: 10.8V/11.0V. VIgn 10.9V)-----


When I bought the car it went into reverse. No forward gears. Messing with it again today when vcds show up, nothing in any gear.

My question is since no codes, can this thing just be low on fluid? I will check it this weekend, but if I were to find the level good, can something else be wrong with the trans that wouldn't set any codes?

The guy I bought it from said it was his daughter's car. She parked it and the next day the trans didn't work, then it sat for 14 months before I bought it. If that story is true, (and I think it is) low fluid seems unlikely. Sounds electrical to me, but seems like that should throw a code.

And before anyone says it, I already know these transmissions suck. A 5 speed swap someday maybe. Would like to see if I can get this thing working for a while.

Thanks for any help!!
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Old August 19th, 2017, 15:48   #2
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Relay 109 when bad is known to throw all kinds of weird electrical error codes.
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Old August 20th, 2017, 11:43   #3
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Relay 109 has been mentioned many times as a problem.
A bad contact could cause the low voltage problem.
I would have expected codes in the ECU as well.
Try scanning the trans while the car is in drive, then again in reverse.
If you have the Bentley manual you can measure the 12V getting to the trans and a voltage drop for the ground.
Car running, headlights on, AC & fan at high.
Measure from the battery negative post to the Case of the trans, and to the ground wire at the trans harness.
I would not want to see more then a few tenths of a volt.
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Old August 20th, 2017, 13:17   #4
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Just saw these replies. Anyways, the fluid was black, the filter was clogged, and the magnet on the pan had tons of silver slime on it. I changed the filter and new fluid anyways. Reverse is great. Got it to drive around the block slipping badly. I think maybe the old filter was so clogged it couldn't suck any fluid and wouldn't move in any gear? Anyways, this thing is done for. I will start looking into the 109 relay once I figure out what I am going to do for a trans. Thanks for the replies!!
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Old August 20th, 2017, 14:23   #5
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Just saw these replies. Anyways, the fluid was black, the filter was clogged, and the magnet on the pan had tons of silver slime on it. I changed the filter and new fluid anyways. Reverse is great. Got it to drive around the block slipping badly. I think maybe the old filter was so clogged it couldn't suck any fluid and wouldn't move in any gear? Anyways, this thing is done for. I will start looking into the 109 relay once I figure out what I am going to do for a trans. Thanks for the replies!!

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Old August 20th, 2017, 14:39   #6
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Just saw these replies. Anyways, the fluid was black, the filter was clogged, and the magnet on the pan had tons of silver slime on it. I changed the filter and new fluid anyways. Reverse is great. Got it to drive around the block slipping badly. I think maybe the old filter was so clogged it couldn't suck any fluid and wouldn't move in any gear? Anyways, this thing is done for. I will start looking into the 109 relay once I figure out what I am going to do for a trans. Thanks for the replies!!
At least the relay is fairly cheap.
I've read the trans fluid may have to be changed 2 or 3 times to get most of the old fluid out.
Torque converters hold most of the fluid & no drain plug.
I use to drill the side of GM torque converters and tap the hole while the fluid was draining.
Used a plug that had a allen wrench hole not nut head for clearance & close weight.
Don't know if this is feasible in the VW.
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Old August 20th, 2017, 14:50   #7
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At least the relay is fairly cheap.
I've read the trans fluid may have to be changed 2 or 3 times to get most of the old fluid out.
Torque converters hold most of the fluid & no drain plug.
I use to drill the side of GM torque converters and tap the hole while the fluid was draining.
Used a plug that had a allen wrench hole not nut head for clearance & close weight.
Don't know if this is feasible in the VW.
I'm not putting any more time or money in this trans. I did already buy a recently rebuilt FDB trans. Prob throw that in and see what happens. Or happen to find a screaming deal on a complete manual swap.
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Changed the engine oil and filter, new pads and rotors, new left rear wheel bearing, abs sensor, new battery, and fixed up the destroyed fuse box over the battery. All that and the trans still slips like crazy! Haha. Gonna see if I can get this other "rebuilt" 01m in this long weekend.

My question now is I did notice that the radio no longer works. VCDS no response from controller. It did work at some point since I have had the car. The only thing I know is different is the driver door panel is removed, so no switches hooked up. No blinking light anywhere on the radio either. Any ideas?
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Did you ever replace relay 109?
I would also check the ground wires under the battery tray and possibly where the radio grounds.
Radio ground should be under the dash, possibly left side. (not positive on this)
From your original post, to many different systems involved.
Wouldn't be surprised if the trans problems are part of this.
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I did not replace 109 relay. I did pull it out today and it looked fine, as did the relay board. Looks like it may be the original black one. I will order the updated one. I am wondering if all the weird electrical codes were from the bad battery?

Pulled the radio out and the fuse on the back was blown. It was already in bad shape from a previous removal, so I put a cheap pioneer in. Got 2 front door speakers also. The driver side door speaker was destroyed.

I am assuming the no communication to radio controller is because the fuse was blown? The radio IS the controller? Looks like it is going to stay that way. There is nothing connected to the k line.
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A bad battery can cause various issues.
The alternator has to work harder to try to keep it up to full charge and can burn out.
I thought the fuse on the back was for power to the antenna.

I put a Kenwood in mine.
Ran new power & ground wires as well as new wires to the 4 speakers.
I'm not overly concerned with radio codes.

I would look into the 9 faults with the low voltage.
Could be a bad ground or power feed.
Some have reported fuses with bad or corroded contacts.
With the car running measure for AC voltage also and how much.
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Old September 18th, 2017, 15:44   #12
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The other trans is far from perfect, but it does drive. 2-3 shift flare and 2-3 second delay from p-d when warm..... Hopefully it works for a while, an auto will not be going back in.

It sat for about a week, and the battery was low. Found a .3 amp draw on fuse 14. The ccm was not going into sleep mode. Took a look and one of the plugs to the ccm was unplugged. Plugged it back in (with multi meter connected) and the horn stayed on. I did blow the 10a fuse in the meter, but I also figured out the problem, and why it was unplugged....

I just pulled both horn 53 relays, and there is no continuity between 87 and 30, so I am assuming the ccm is bad. I see them on ebay for a reasonable price with my part number. What is involved getting it to work with my car with vcds?


Also......in the few miles I have driven this thing with the trans replacement, I noticed the heat is luke warm and it blows mostly out of the vents no matter the dial. So I have the dash torn apart for the foam fix. I have no foam left.

I have it torn apart to where I can seal the 2 doors I see. When put to defrost, another cable moves and I hear another door shut. All the write ups I have seen only mention the 2 doors that I can see. Do I need to tear it apart more to get at the defrost door? Hope not!

Thanks for any help!!!
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I just pulled both horn 53 relays, and there is no continuity between 87 and 30, so I am assuming the ccm is bad. I see them on ebay for a reasonable price with my part number. What is involved getting it to work with my car with vcds?

Do I need to tear it apart more to get at the defrost door? Hope not!

Thanks for any help!!!
Pin 87 and 86 should be for the coil in the relay.
I don't think any of the relays have continuity from 30 to 86 or 87.

From what I read the dash has to come out for the defroster repair unless you have a 3 piece housing.
Never had that fun (yet)
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85 and 86 are for the coil. When energized, 87 connects to 30. I was hoping one of the relays was stuck, but not the case.

Also finally found a pic of a split heater case. The defrost door is solid plastic, so I should be able to seal up the 2 doors and put it back together.

I am going to find a used ccm and hope for the best.
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If it were me I'd look to do a couple more fluid changes on the existing transmission rather than tossing in another (01m) one. It's a fair amount of work to do a transmission R&R, a LOT more than a couple of fluid changes. I wouldn't replace an 01m with another one unless I knew for certain that the replacement was in perfect condition (and good luck ascertaining that!).

And, as others have stated, check out your charging/electrical system.
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