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Old May 12th, 2012, 12:51   #61
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John, can you explain what an "mk4 shift system" is? Sorry if that is a noob question.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 13:49   #62
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Did it look like other standard gears would fit for the sixth? Someone on the A2 forum is interested in a 0.622 for 6th & wanted to know if he could a VW cog in.
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Old May 13th, 2012, 02:09   #63
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John, can you explain what an "mk4 shift system" is? Sorry if that is a noob question.
See post 772 in this thread: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread...=292117&page=8
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Old May 14th, 2012, 09:27   #64
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Ah, there's the confusion. I somehow missed the fact that you have a B4V and not an MK4.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 16:48   #65
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Anyone thinking of this mod for a Mk4 BEW Jetta? What are the gotcha's? It certainly has my interest peaked.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 20:28   #66
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Anyone thinking of this mod for a Mk4 BEW Jetta? What are the gotcha's? It certainly has my interest peaked.
What are the gotcha's? So far only $$$$. But the install is not started yet.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:17   #67
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FYI EuroTuning have just replied to my query, and they say that you can't put standard cogs in there. So the options are 0.65, 0.59, and in the future also 0.52 (hence 0.62 not available).
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Old May 15th, 2012, 16:05   #68
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There is more detail in the actual email:
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Hello Mike,

We don't offer .622 ratio, we make only those ratios, that can be used in the most of 5-gear gearboxes. The most popular 6th gear for TDI engines was .65, which continues on .75; VW makes 5-gear gearboxes with longer 5th gear now, so we had to add .59 ratio to our special 6th gears. It continues on 5th gear .71. We are preparing 6th gear .52 for new generation of VW T5 with 5th gear .66 gearboxes. 6th gear .74 is the most used in gasoline engines.
We believe, that it is possible to build optimal solution for every gearbox 02A, 02J, 02B, 02R.

Gear ratio 0.62 can't be used, because our solution has 6th gear in place of 5th gear and driven wheel are different from manufactured (as in image)

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With sending 2 kits together, the shipping cost will be as for only 1.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 00:56   #69
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EuroTuning solution - driven wheel of 6th gear

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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:45   #70
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Many thanks for supplying the image.

I have initiated things with my bank (for the single 02J/EWQ kit with 0.59), so hopefully within a few weeks I will be driving around with 6 gears :-)
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Old May 16th, 2012, 05:16   #71
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Mike,

Do you have a direct email for them? I want to start moving forward on this as well. Thanks.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 05:35   #72
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Do you have a direct email for them? I want to start moving forward on this as well. Thanks.

Here it is: info@eurotuning.cz
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Old May 16th, 2012, 09:33   #73
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What are the gotcha's? So far only $$$$. But the install is not started yet.
These are the potential gotchas which I am aware of:

* $$$$ as pointed out. My crude estimate based on the BSFC chart is that with UK fuel prices it may need something like 120-150k motorway miles to break even.
* Cruise control doesn't like the gear to be too long. So it is possible that cruise only works in 5th and below. I know that 0.65 and 0.622 are OK for the cruise, but don't know about 0.59 or 0.52 (personally I don't care if cruise works or not in 6th).
* An ultralong gear such as 0.52 may have a risk of cracking the cog since there is a lot of force going through a small component.
* You may need to change down to 5th for steep hills / strong acceleration.
* There may be extra stress on the clutch leading to early replacement, particuarly if you change into the wrong gear suddenly, or don't change down to 5th when you should.
* If the person doing the install drops a component into the gearbox when attempting to do the 'in place' installation, they'd need to do the full disassembly instead in order to retrieve the component.


I personally don't see any of these as being a significant problem.
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Old May 17th, 2012, 20:11   #74
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These are the potential gotchas which I am aware of:

* $$$$ as pointed out. My crude estimate based on the BSFC chart is that with UK fuel prices it may need something like 120-150k motorway miles to break even.

I don't see a fuel saving justification for this conversion. My older 5 speed swap cost about $450-500. I picked up 2 mpg on the highway. But, the car was much more quiet on the highway.


* Cruise control doesn't like the gear to be too long. So it is possible that cruise only works in 5th and below. I know that 0.65 and 0.622 are OK for the cruise, but don't know about 0.59 or 0.52 (personally I don't care if cruise works or not in 6th).

My cruise control works with the .622 5th gear with out any issues. I expect it will also work with a .59 6th gear with no issues.


* An ultralong gear such as 0.52 may have a risk of cracking the cog since there is a lot of force going through a small component.

Don't disagree with this. Besides, it would take a 1900 rpm cruse speed down to 1700 rpm. Might work OK with a VNT turbo. Not sure with my stock 96 turbo.

* You may need to change down to 5th for steep hills / strong acceleration.

And so what is wrong with down shifting? :< )


* There may be extra stress on the clutch leading to early replacement, particuarly if you change into the wrong gear suddenly, or don't change down to 5th when you should.

I got 200K from the stock clutch, can I reasonably ask for more?


* If the person doing the install drops a component into the gearbox when attempting to do the 'in place' installation, they'd need to do the full disassembly instead in order to retrieve the component.

When you try to save some "pennies" you run some risks. If you don't want the risk, pay full price?


I personally don't see any of these as being a significant problem.
Mike, I agree with you 100%

My install will start this Saturday.
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As soon as I hear back from EuroTuning I will be buying mine....and let me say the wait is killing me.

Their brochure says break even will be around 93k miles, so I'll have it paid off in about 2.5 years. Saving fuel money isn't in my mind.

Loosing cruise will be irritant as I use it daily on the interstate on the way to work, but I can live without it if need be.

If cracking is a problem, I may stick with the .59 instead of pursuing the .52

I am at 170K on the original clutch, so if 200K is a good average clutch lifespan, I may wait to start the install until I'm ready for the clutch (but I doubt I will be able to wait).

Let me know how your installs go and how you like the results.
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