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Old February 13th, 2020, 10:25   #1
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Default Who makes Group 4 507 Spec oils, 0W-30 or 5w-30 oil?

Help me help my 2012 TDI live forever! Which oils meet the 507 spec and use a group 4 base stock?

This is surprisingly difficult to find out. A lot of them are 505. I just want a true European diesel synthetic in spec.

Bias towards MB1 and AMSOIL, but I don't believe they offer 507 spec.

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Not sure if mobil 1's ESP is a group 4 or not but their ESP x1 0w30 or ESP 5w30 is a 507 spec oil.

I'm personally running the ESP x1 0w30.
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Old February 13th, 2020, 10:31   #3
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Any 507.00 compliant 5w30 will be perfectly fine. You'll have a dozen other things fail before the engine's internally lubricated parts will anyway. Don't over think it.

I just did a 430k mile service on one. The Pentosin 5w30 SP3 oil seems to be working just fine in it.
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Yeah, this thread on BITOG explains why a straight group iv 507 oil is unnecessary, undesirable, and unavailable.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...(group_IV_or_V
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I looked into this too, and the only oil I could find that was for sure an ester based group IV was the RedLine Euro-Series 5w30, but it's not VW approved. Personally I am planning to use M1 ESP until the warranty is up, and then switch to RedLine.
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Like the guys said dont worry about the group IV rating, your going to see negligible difference between the group III plus and IV VW 507 oils. I use pennzoil Euro LX 0W30 as I'm up north as it's only $32 cdn when in sale for 5 liters. Dont overthink oil, that's why VW certified them for you.
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Thanks all. I'm going to go with MB1 ESP.
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Dont overthink oil, that's why VW certified them for you.

I don't think VW cares about people trying to get a really long lifespan from an old car, or they wouldn't have so many 'lifetime' fluids. Having a motor with a timing chain, I remember the MB diesel guys showing huge differences in timing chain elongation rate depending on different oil base stocks.
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I don't think VW cares about people trying to get a really long lifespan from an old car, or they wouldn't have so many 'lifetime' fluids. Having a motor with a timing chain, I remember the MB diesel guys showing huge differences in timing chain elongation rate depending on different oil base stocks.
Name 1 lifetime fluid in a mk6 other than manual transmission fluid.

Alot of people who run 5w30 or 0w30 myself included have absolutely no issues with the VW507. It was designed for this engine, most 507 oils are borderline 0w40 oils anyway. Also all 2.0 tdis use timing belts.

To OP PP euro Lx 0w30 is made in Germany right on the label, not a group IV but excellent oil , cheap when on sale and readily available. Don't get dragged into thinking group IV oils are going to double the life of your engine, they wont. Their effects are negligible and cost will outweigh the benefits long term
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Name 1 lifetime fluid in a mk6 other than manual transmission fluid.
"Mk6" what?

Jetta? Civic?

All G12+ equipped VAG products have "lifetime" coolant, if that is the answer you were looking for. We just normally change it when we need to open the cooling system for something, but it has no specified change interval. None of them can go "indefinitely" without something related to the cooling system needing attention. I have seen a couple of the later 2.5L 5 cyl go ~200k miles on their original water pumps, though.
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