Oil Filter every 10,000 miles is overkill?

BeetlePD · Jan 2, 2020

Seems like overkill. On my Honda I change the oil at 10,000 and filter at 20,000 (so basically every other draining). Perhaps Mann filters aren’t designed for 20,000 like the Mobil Extended filter in my Honda.

Fixmy59bug · Jan 2, 2020

You MAY be onto something. European oil change intervals can be anywhere from 15,000 - 24,000 miles. And I'm fairly certain they would use the same filter we use or at least the same specifications from Vw as to filter construction.

But for $7.50, is it really worth it?

BeetlePD · Jan 2, 2020

$12 at the dealer... $120 over two years (I drive alot)

IndigoBlueWagon · Jan 2, 2020

You can do whatever you want, but these cars are inexpensive enough to maintain it seems reasonable to follow the manufacturer's recommendations. If I were to extend them I might (a) change oil and filter at 15K, or (b) change the filter every 10K and oil every 20K. When you try either of these you could first get a baseline oil analysis at 10K, and then another at 15K and 20K. I think I did this once years ago on my car and running the oil 20K miles didn't seem harmful. However, the analysis doesn't cost much less than the change, so why not change the oil and filter?

turbobrick240 · Jan 2, 2020

I've done it on a few vehicles when I didn't have the right filter on hand. They survived. But then you have that feeling that you half a**ed the job until the next change.

BeetlePD · Jan 2, 2020

Disagree with the “inexpensive” part. My Honda doesn’t have a fuel filter replacement every 20,000. Or $1300 timing belt replacement. Tires are only $70 each and oil just 3 quarts

Anyway MANN FILTERS are well-liked at Bobistheoilguy where they run long intervals. One guy said the filter reads (in German): “Extended time filter. 30,000 kilometers/ 2 years.” That translates to almost 19,000 miles.

Owain@malonetuning · Jan 2, 2020

I thought with hondas you just changed the filter since they burn through enough to be constantly cycling it.

If you're doing big miles a 20k change in 3 months is no big deal, better than 10k over a year if anything.

1854sailor · Jan 2, 2020

Rotflmao

owain@malonetuning said:
i thought with hondas you just changed the filter since they burn through enough to be constantly cycling it...

OlyTDI · Jan 2, 2020

Take this for what you paid for it: I run 20-25k oil change intervals and change the factory filter each time. I have a bypass system on it and change the Amsoil 2 micron filter out every 40-60K.

UOAs are always great and normal PD cam wear after 185K miles...

oilhammer · Jan 3, 2020

The OP should buy a Honda.

Tdijarhead · Jan 3, 2020

BeetlePD said:
$12 at the dealer... $120 over two years (I drive alot)

How about $5 , I drive a lot also and have two other vehicles that take the same filter. So I buy this 10 pack every couple of years.

https://www.idparts.com/oil-filter-10-pack-a4b55-p-467.html

IndigoBlueWagon · Jan 3, 2020

OlyTDI said:
UOAs are always great and normal PD cam wear after 185K miles...

Ever had the oil analyzed? 185K is on the low side for BEW cam life.

jettawreck · Jan 3, 2020

Since a lot of folks run extended interval oil changes ("here" and in Europe/elsewhere) and don't have to change filters half way thru, the filter is certainly up to 20k worth of duty. I've done the change the oil every 10k miles/filter every 20k for a good share of the life of most of my TDIs. The engine isn't grinding itself to bits and clogging up the filter. Having drained and inspected most of them (filters) I've yet to find any signs of one containing anything to even remotely "clog" one or keep it from doing its service.
It's not really a cost thing as they aren't that expensive. Never got into the extended oil changes as even when I drove the TDIs regularily I didn't rack up mega miles between the two of them. None of the four have exceeded 300k miles to date although the '03 engine is on its second chassis, the current carcass was a 1.8T car. M1 TDT 5w-40/ Rotella T6/DelVac 1 ESP 5w-40
Flame away if you feel the need.

1854sailor · Jan 3, 2020

oilhammer said:
The OP should buy a Honda.

johnsTDI · Jan 4, 2020

Tdijarhead said:
How about $5 , I drive a lot also and have two other vehicles that take the same filter. So I buy this 10 pack every couple of years.
https://www.idparts.com/oil-filter-10-pack-a4b55-p-467.html

Mann Oil Filters or VW stealer wich probably is a Mann filter anyways. are what i will Only use on my 2012 TDI. there rated 99% effiecency at 40 microns in other words its a Great filter. no buts or ifs about it. if anyone decides to use the cheaper ones there rated lower on effiecency and microns you get what You Pay For.

Lightflyer1 · Jan 4, 2020

Had you even clicked on the link these are Mann filters for $49.99 for 10 of them. In this case a Mann filter for $5.

OlyTDI · Jan 11, 2020

IndigoBlueWagon said:
Ever had the oil analyzed? 185K is on the low side for BEW cam life.

Yes! I have 4 times over it's life. All great results with Blackstone recommendation to continue my long intervals.

Mongler98 · Jan 20, 2020

Owain@malonetuning said:
I thought with hondas you just changed the filter since they burn through enough to be constantly cycling it.

i died inside laughing about how true this is. every 6 gallons of gas my honda nighthawk uses i have to put in about 1/4 quart. 85 honda accord, about 2 quarts every 1000 miles.

Mongler98 · Jan 20, 2020

rock auto has filters (bosch) for $3.50 a pop.

JM Popaleetus · Jan 22, 2020

Honestly, even at dealer prices, I'll spend the whopping $12/year extra to change my filter every 10,000.

pdq import repair · Jan 22, 2020

My 95 Audi S6 Avant factory owners manual recommended oil change intervals at 7500 miles, and filter changes at 15000 miles. I splurge and change the oil filter every oil change. Has done 290k miles to date with no problems. oil changed at 3-5K intervals

Oil and filters are relatively cheap compared to major engine repairs. I see no economic reason to exceed manufactures recommendations. Sure, you can probably get away with it, but why?

turbobrick240 · Jan 22, 2020

Plus, if you change it every time, you never have to remember if the last change included a filter change or not.

ToBiN · Jan 22, 2020

turbobrick240 said:
Plus, if you change it every time, you never have to remember if the last change included a filter change or not.

Yes.

Ive had numerous vehicles with over 200k miles on them. I see it this way, oil maintenance costs less than a new engine no matter how you slice it. Reminds me of the old commercial with the mechanic stating "you can pay me now or pay me later."

Also +1 on Blackstone Oil Analysis. Lets you know of minor issue inside your engine before they become MAJOR issue. Metal per mile is a factor when keeping vehicles for longer periods.

@Owain
ROFL. Although I've had a civic with the exact oil burn you reference. Valve guides, seals, etc..... suck the oil on decel.

RabbitGTI · Jun 7, 2020

I usually do the once a year change on my cars which is anywhere from 12 to 25,000 miles. I use Delvac and Mobil One 0-40. How about a car that only does 7k miles in a year and most of the mileage is in the city doing short hop trips? Is that considered severe duty and should I change that?

scooperhsd · Jun 7, 2020

Mongler98 said:
i died inside laughing about how true this is. every 6 gallons of gas my honda nighthawk uses i have to put in about 1/4 quart. 85 honda accord, about 2 quarts every 1000 miles.

I don't ever have to add oil to my 1998 Honda Valkyrie. But then, it IS the GL1500 Gold Wing motor at heart. I've never had to add oil to ANY of my Honda motorcycles.

Honda cars - well, when they got up to 200,000 miles, they started using a little bit.

Mongler98 · Jun 8, 2020

scooperhsd said:
I don't ever have to add oil to my 1998 Honda Valkyrie. But then, it IS the GL1500 Gold Wing motor at heart. I've never had to add oil to ANY of my Honda motorcycles.

Honda cars - well, when they got up to 200,000 miles, they started using a little bit.

The accord was a 300 car I put 100k on and only did about $100 in maintenance like a few oil changes, brake pads, and a cv axle. That it. Crashed it, sold it for 400.
So ........
But the nighthawk is down for the count right now. 60ish psi on all 4
https://youtu.be/8XcNhPrVp78

CleverUserName · Jun 8, 2020

Mongler98 said:
rock auto has filters (bosch) for $3.50 a pop.

The Bosch premium filter on Rockauto.com is actually the best filter for the 1.9 TDI. “Best” meaning highest filtration efficiency vs. OEM. However Bosch premium filters are made in China which may be a deal killer for some folks. Most Mann filters are made in CZ anyway so not a German product.

I prefer Mahle as they are still made in Austria or the Bosch premium line.

jjblbi · Jun 9, 2020

I buy the 10 pack of filters from IDParts and go 10k miles between changes of oil & filter. Easy to track on the odometer at that interval. Topside with extractor takes 1/2 hour tops including clean-up. Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40. 205k miles and going strong.

About 40 years ago a wise old mechanic told me "grease is cheap" So true.

TDI Greg · Jun 9, 2020

If Honda is so great why do you have a VW?

Fixmy59bug · Jun 9, 2020

TDI Greg said:
If Honda is so great why do you have a VW?

Maybe because Vw doesn’t offer a motorcycle.

Besides, who are you to question why someone else owns anything they own?

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