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VW MKVII-Mk7 Golf family including Golf Wagon (~ 2015 +) Discussions area for the Mk7 (2015+) Golf and Golf Wagon TDIs based on the MQB (Modularer Querbaukasten) platform.

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Old July 5th, 2018, 05:22   #31
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My guess many more MQB mk7 are assembled in Europe than mexico, maybe a different vendor/revision supplies the euro plants.

I also see quite a few Seat/Skoda clusters on autopolars site, so who really knows.
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Old July 5th, 2018, 12:50   #32
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Been playing with mine some, it's useful.
Still some things I'm not sure about, or need fixing. Coolant temp shows negative, what does ! mean before a parameter, MPG and degrees F options... Much of this could be user error or lack of understanding how it all works, I'm not sure yet.
With the update version I have EGT isn't yet available, but I'm told it will be in a week or few. They are apparently still working out the finer details for this application.

The text does jump around some, which if you're looking at it for a while isn't ideal, but if you're actually driving and just glance at it quickly, otherwise keeping your eyes on the road it's not noticeable. It'd be nice if that were fixed, but then again it's not a big deal.


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Old July 5th, 2018, 13:25   #33
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The PF03 manual says the !prefex means requested or calculated.
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Old July 5th, 2018, 15:07   #34
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HP says 171 and TQ says 271. Do you have a tune? EGT and DPF temps are key to monitoring regens. You'd think that they would have figured this out by now...

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Been playing with mine some, it's useful.
Still some things I'm not sure about, or need fixing. Coolant temp shows negative, what does ! mean before a parameter, MPG and degrees F options... Much of this could be user error or lack of understanding how it all works, I'm not sure yet.
With the update version I have EGT isn't yet available, but I'm told it will be in a week or few. They are apparently still working out the finer details for this application.

The text does jump around some, which if you're looking at it for a while isn't ideal, but if you're actually driving and just glance at it quickly, otherwise keeping your eyes on the road it's not noticeable. It'd be nice if that were fixed, but then again it's not a big deal.


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Old July 5th, 2018, 15:30   #35
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The PF03 manual says the !prefex means requested or calculated.
There are SO many calculated values in this ECU, I'd be curious all the channels that are available to choose from when setting this thing up. It takes some time and logging to figure out which channels are the correct ones just in normal VCDS logs!
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Old July 6th, 2018, 04:10   #36
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the MAP/MAF is absolute pressure, so the ECU reads 14-35PSI, the calculation takes out the 14.5psi to give you PSIG.

But that coolant value is def not calculated, and makes me shake my head.
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Old July 6th, 2018, 14:23   #37
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I don’t have a tune.
The boost is available with or without subtracting atmosphere, that picture is with the correction.
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Old July 6th, 2018, 14:57   #38
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I donít have a tune.
The boost is available with or without subtracting atmosphere, that picture is with the correction.
I guess the HP and TQ figures are to make you feel good?
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Old July 6th, 2018, 18:36   #39
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I guess so? I don’t remember what the car/engine is supposed to make, but I wasn’t thinking that high.

I expect they’ll get the bugs worked out. Didn’t know they hadn’t until after installing and trying it.

It came with a tiny manual with a few pages in English, not very useful. Part of it may be clumsy translation, part outdated or for a different model car as it didn’t seem applicable. Biggest problem is they give a URL to update it but the address is bad or no longer used. I did figure out how to update from a small button at the top of the Polar website.

Basically the instructions say to install, although not entirely clear, first update software, remove anything connected to OBDII, plug it in, turn on the car, turn off, lock the door from outside with remote and wait a few minutes... good to go.

Zero paperwork on how to set it up, navigate the menus, or what the different parameters mean, not even a list of them.
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Old July 26th, 2018, 06:49   #40
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I've learned a few things about Polar FIS for the MQB.

1, The Folks at Kerma TDI are helpful. So are the folks at Polar, both interested in getting this working well.

2, They're still working out the details and bugs, and they have confidence.

3, Although finally available in my opinion it is not really ready, at least as of July 2018.

4, It takes over the "audio" screen in center of dash.

5, In some few vehicles it only works about half the time. Sometimes when starting the car instead of showing the usual display it shows "audio is currently not available". They're aware of this and working on it.

6, It may not be possible to update the software while installed in the vehicle. I tried without success. Yesterday I asked and was recommended to unplug it from vehicle entirely before updating, which is reasonably difficult to do because of the location. I'll try just disconnecting the car battery and see if it'll then update, crossing my fingers.

7, instructions, info, trouble shooting, how to update... all that info is lacking. Like I bought the black box and except phone calls to Kerma and messages with Polar I'm on my own to figure out what to do and how to use it.

8, It needs to be turned off before anything will work for diagnostics, like VCDS. This point is clearly stated in the short instructions.

8.5, Not explained. After disconnecting and reconnecting car battery Polar FIS, even if it was turned off, will wake up and be on. This caused some wasted time and frustration with me by the dealer's service dept when they couldn't update the car after doing the Phase 2 emissions... I had no idea that PolarFIS would turn back on after I purposefully turned it off before dropping the car off.

9, Currently many values have metric units only. I believe more english units will be available in a future update.

10, EGT, at least with version 1.9b5, isn't yet supported. This is the single reason I bought the product, but didn't know EGT wasn't yet a feature. They say this will also be working soon.


Overall I think Polar FIS for the MQB will be great, and I'm looking forward to using it. Glad the manufacturer and Kerma TDI are so helpful and attentive to the issues it still has. I'll be really glad when they get the bugs worked out.
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Old July 26th, 2018, 08:01   #41
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Thanks for the info.
FYI: Number 8 above has always been true. It was the same with the PF03 in my '09 JSW. CAN bus is not multi-access. Two "computers" can not both talk on the diagnostic bus at the same time. Polar FIS+ uses the diagnostic bus as does VCDS. More than once I forgot to turn off my FIS+ and got communication errors with VCDS. Luckily its easy to fix (turn off).

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Old July 27th, 2018, 04:23   #42
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Thanks!

I'm kinda surprised Kerma doesn't give this kind of warning, information, on their site, could lead to some customers leaving a bit disappointed.
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I've learned a few things about Polar FIS for the MQB.

4, It takes over the "audio" screen in center of dash.

5, In some few vehicles it only works about half the time. Sometimes when starting the car instead of showing the usual display it shows "audio is currently not available". They're aware of this and working on it.

8.5, Not explained. After disconnecting and reconnecting car battery Polar FIS, even if it was turned off, will wake up and be on. This caused some wasted time and frustration with me by the dealer's service dept when they couldn't update the car after doing the Phase 2 emissions... I had no idea that PolarFIS would turn back on after I purposefully turned it off before dropping the car off.

9, Currently many values have metric units only. I believe more english units will be available in a future update.

10, EGT, at least with version 1.9b5, isn't yet supported. This is the single reason I bought the product, but didn't know EGT wasn't yet a feature. They say this will also be working soon.

It takes over the audio screen, but even while not on the audio screen it messes up things that used to be there. For instance, the car originally used to have a volume bar pop up in the MFA when you pressed the volume buttons on the steering wheel. Which was nice to see how loud you were making it, as when you use the steering wheel controls, the volume bar does not pop up on the touchscreen radio. This used to be visible while in any MFA screen, but not now with the PolarFIS plugged in.


To continue a list of things that aren't available or do not work right...
In the advanced setup screen, you cannot change from C to F
In the advanced setup screen, you cannot change from km to mi
It has Long G's but no Side G's
It also sometimes has the "!" value and not the normal one, or vise versa. Boost is a good example, it only has !Boost.

It does not have EGT, nor DPF in, nor DPF out
It only has 5 screens to fill with 4 parameters, where the PF03 had 8 screens to fill with 4 parameters each.

No AdBlue tank fill level, but does have "AdBlue used" but it show no unit, so I do not know what the value means.


One thing that would be nice is to be able to show the EGT limiter value along with the EGT value so you can visually know you're pushing the car to all she's got.
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Old August 2nd, 2018, 04:55   #44
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I wonder if there is some sort of issue with the single year '15 MIB I, and some of the issues mentioned are worked out in the newer MIB II.

Kerma, loan me one and I'll verify how it works on our Alltrack and report back, and ship it back, I'll pay shipping.
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No AdBlue tank fill level, but does have "AdBlue used" but it show no unit, so I do not know what the value means.
Since it can't (yet) do miles or degrees F., I think we can safely assume that the units are metric - probably mL or L.

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