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Old March 13th, 2018, 11:20   #4336
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I'd prefer if they use "real world" data which would favor diesel, no matter the energy density of the fuel. CO2 is definitely better in diesels due to efficiency of burning.

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I'd rather stick with my current diesel, knowing things may change when there is more experience with EV's (I do favor them to some extent) and not rely on biased futurist proclamations and "data" from groups like the EPA and OCS who have their own agendas.

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Old March 13th, 2018, 12:16   #4337
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Keep in mind that they're not talking about diesels. I'm talking about diesels. They're only talking about gasoline cars, because in the grand scheme of things, diesels are utterly irrelevant to the US discussion.

And, it'd be nice if there was real-world data on every car, although reproducibility on real-world data is difficult. The EPA does collect real user data, though.

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Old March 18th, 2018, 07:54   #4338
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Numerous posts discussing CO2 emissions of diesel vs. gasoline and ethanol have been moved to this thread: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=487388

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Old March 18th, 2018, 08:48   #4339
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Doesn't seem like a very significaant difference, and certainly not enough for me to want to tolerate the range limitations and charging time wasted on the Tesla . . . . Time is worth something as well!
Misconception of charge times. Unless you travel 100s of miles each day your charge times are effectively 0 minutes. Example: Typical 30 mile commute results in pluggin in my garage Level 2 charger as soon as I arrive home and go about my business, 0 minutes waiting to charge.

When I owned my TDI I would have to plan a trip to refuel at a station known to have good B5 or less diesel fuel. This would take approximately 30 minutes of my time every 3 weeks. 52/3 = 17.33 refueling stops annually. 17.33 X 30 minutes = 519 minutes annually or 519/60 = 8 hours. So I would spend 8 hours of my time annually under ideal conditions to refuel my TDI. This is not even calculating the additional time required to search while traveling for a good source of B5 or less diesel fuel.

On my vacation road trips in my Tesla I spend nowhere near that amount of time charging.
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Misconception of diesel refueling times as well. Known good station by my house and maybe 5 minutes to fuel up. My refueling frequency is similar to yours. Also I have filled up at any stations that look well used, no research involved. B20 or less is okay from my experience. 1 1/2 hours a year refueling, nothing to even make note of over a year.

Who spends 30 minutes every time they need fuel researching where to go? Even when I use GasBuddy to find the least expensive fuel near me it takes nowhere near that much time.
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The only times I go out of my way to get diesel is when I need it for my tractor. For the car I pick it up along the way. I do look forward to getting an EV in 3-5 years. I think most of the range anxiety issues will have been solved by then.
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