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Old October 7th, 2019, 19:48   #16
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Why were they not eligible for the fix?
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Old October 7th, 2019, 19:57   #17
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Good question. I guess it was going to cost VW too much to make them compliant. Must have been related to gear ratios and shifting behavior. The automatics can be programmed to shift more optimally- at least from an emissions standpoint.
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Old October 7th, 2019, 20:28   #18
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Hmmm so there probably aren’t any 6m tdi Passats out there. That really sucks. May just have to bite the bullet and go GTI 6 speed, but I’ll really really miss the range.
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Old October 7th, 2019, 21:06   #19
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There are some out there but not buy backs. Only those that refused to turn theirs in and are now selling it. They will be difficult to find and probably command a higher price if they are aware of what they have.
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Old October 8th, 2019, 08:49   #20
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Court records show that VW did submit a fix proposal for the gen 2 manuals, but once evaluated was found not to be quite within compliance yet, VW had the choice to either rework that fix and submit yet another fix proposal and vehicles for testing (and pay the government for the pleasure of performing the testing) or just let it go.

Pretty sure they just did the math and found that they would have no problem meeting their quota for cars bought back and fixed within the timeframe outlined by the court settlement and decided it wasn't worth the time and resources to submit another fix proposal for what is a very small number of cars.

So, with how the court settlement worked, if you wanted to get restitution of some kind, you either had the car bought back for much more than it was worth, or you had VW apply the fix to your existing car, and they'd pay you once the fix was applied, your 3rd option was to do nothing at all, receive nothing, and pretend like none of it happened.

Being that the money offered to have the car bought back was so high, most people had a hard time saying no to the buyback offer. So yeah, 6 speed manual 12-14 Passats are exceptionally rare.

I do have a customer with one... he's got over 290,000 miles on it now, lots of long highway trips, tracks his mileage religiously on fuelly.com, lifetime average over the 250,000 miles or so he's been tracking it is 46.6 MPG... in that huge sedan.

I might have helped convince him to keep it, and likely said some similar words as I did above on how much I like the gen 2/CKRA engine.

Just wish it came in a Golf or Sportwagen... or that they had a wagon bodystyle that was offered on the NMS Passat platform with that engine in it.
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Old October 8th, 2019, 13:17   #21
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Hmmm so there probably arenít any 6m tdi Passats out there. That really sucks. May just have to bite the bullet and go GTI 6 speed, but Iíll really really miss the range.
Is there no manual swap write-up for these cars?
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Old October 8th, 2019, 14:14   #22
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Don’t want to have to deal with a tranny swap.
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'15 Passat manuals are out there, and they were successfully fixed. And once in a while you'll see a '12-14 Passat manual for sale that someone didn't want to turn in. But odds are if an owner was willing to pass on the buyback to keep the car, they're not going to want to sell it.

You can also get an '11-15 Jetta with a manual. It's not a small car. Back seat is B4 Passat sized. I'd still go for the '15 for the better engine, however.
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