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Old September 6th, 2018, 10:26   #16
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I wonder if the VW Emission scandal might have been politically motivated, at least partially to cut diesel cars out of the "demand" side of Fuel supplies.
In a word- no. The cheating tdi's use an inconsequential amount of fuel as compared to trucking. They basically have no impact on demand or pricing.
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Old September 9th, 2018, 10:44   #17
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The point other articles I've read make is that ships moving away from bunker fuel and into the middle distillates with lower sulfur means these boats will now be competing with over the road vehicles for the same fuel.
If ships are moving away from bunker fuel, then refiners will have an incentive to produce more ULSD (or at least LSD) and less bunker fuel. So I don't foresee any shortages of diesel fuel anywhere, except maybe in some Third World markets.
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Old September 13th, 2018, 16:16   #18
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If ships are moving away from bunker fuel, then refiners will have an incentive to produce more ULSD (or at least LSD) and less bunker fuel. So I don't foresee any shortages of diesel fuel anywhere, except maybe in some Third World markets.
Well, I wouldn't say shortage, but certainly an increase in demand for a product generally yields an increase in price until things level out.

Not saying we should expect to have a lack of fuel, just that we might be paying more for it for awhile during the adjustment period.
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There should be a decrease in demand with dieselgate, and with VW and other companies exiting the market for diesel cars. Maybe they will offset each other.
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If ships are moving away from bunker fuel, then refiners will have an incentive to produce more ULSD (or at least LSD) and less bunker fuel. ...
Yes, but you also have to consider that bunker fuel, aka 'resid' is a thick tarry like substance which is used for asphalt, roofing tar, and other heavy thick products which do not flow at normal temperatures. To crack that stuff into light and middle distillate products requires a lot of hydrogen input as well as expensive catalysts. It isn't something they (refiners) are really interested in pursuing, at least, not until the prices rise enough to make it profitable. And in today's economy, that is a long way off.


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Forcing that junk back through the cracker will also cause an increase in the areas where it's sued today, like road asphalt and shingles. I don't have a clue how high the price of diesel or gasoline would have to be to make cracking bunker oil economical. For distillate fuels, the price swing for more profit by cracking to gasoline is less than a dime. That's based on a worldwide traded commodity price index.
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There is a stink to the onslaught of articles about boaty mcboatface's new diesel requirements and price increases for on-road diesel fuel.

Smells like someone who went way too long on diesel is funding a PR/ad agency to create and hype authoritative-sounding-yet-speculative fake-news articles about diesel future price increases.
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