AHU: gray smoke, high oil consumption, vacuum in the crankcase. Ideas?

v8volvo

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2001 Jetta
Working on a 1997 Jetta that has become a problem child. It first came to us several months ago after going through 4 other shops that couldn't put it right. The major issue at that time was that it barely ran. The owner had been told it needed a new engine. We checked timing and discovered it was way, way off (cycling between 255 and 36, and would barely stay running when in basic settings). Took a while to figure out how to make it come into range, but finally got it timed right and it seemed to run fine. As part of the diagnosis of that issue, to ensure that the engine was OK, we did a compression test and the motor seemed perfectly fine -- 400+ in all four holes.

Now that it runs OK and the owner has been able to start driving it regularly, another problem has surfaced that is hard to figure. The car smokes and uses oil. However, blowby is zero, and when I say zero, I mean literally nothing coming out of the cap. Compared it to another known good TDI with low miles, and the other one had a fair amount coming out of the oil fill hole when running -- as every TDI I have ever worked on has. This AHU, though, has nothing. If you put your hand over the fill cap when running, it seems to alternate between very slight pressure and slight *vacuum*. This is with the port from the CCV to the intake plugged off, of course, so there is no other outlet for the blowby that I can think of, other than out of the oil fill...? So I am having to conclude that it is going someplace I am not aware of, and perhaps even being drawn there by vacuum, since otherwise I cannot see how there could ever possibly be negative crankcase pressure, except in an instance of extreme air filter restriction and an open CCV.

Trying to figure out what is going on here. There is no vacuum source anywhere in the car except for the vacuum pump. Can the pump fail in such a way as to suck on the crankcase side? All diesels in my experience have a fair amount of blowby even when in perfect condition. This car should have at least some. Where is it going??

Any thoughts on this, anybody seen anything similar? I work on these cars every day and have never seen one do something like this... beating my head against the wall.

Still starts and runs fine, aside from a big cloud at startup, a constant haze while idling, and big puffs when on the pedal; and gives every indication of having plenty of compression. Timing and all other basic factors are spot on. Appreciate any input.
 

Growler

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Schmutz, 2015 Golf Sportwagen DSG & Schnurren, 2001 Golf GL 2 door 5M
what about on the front of the block? these cars had a second CCV port down there below the vacuum pump. is it blocked off, or is the pipe broken off and thats where teh ccv gasses are going?
 

v8volvo

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2001 Jetta
Yep the hard plastic pipe from the side of the block up to the CCV puck was broken on this car, like it is on most of them.... the owner replaced it so it is now intact and not leaking. All the crankcase gases should be going to the CCV puck, through that tube and through the hole in the valve cover. SO when I block the passage from the CCV puck to the turbo intake (removing tube and plugging opening with thumb), all the CC gases should be forced to come out the oil fill opening. However there is still nothing there. That is what is making me wonder.
 

sfierz

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1996 Tornado Red Passat
How is the intake? Is it terribly plugged? Mine was nearly 100% plugged at 234k miles and running but just barely.
 

KLXD

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'98, '2 Jettas
How's the air filter and screen? Restriction there will cause low crankcase pressure.
 

v8volvo

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2001 Jetta
No restriction in the manifold or filter. The symptoms are not changed by disconnecting the breather hose from CCV puck to turbo inlet, no chance of vacuum in the intake being the cause of low pressure in the crankcase.

Any other ideas? I am running out....
 

G60ING

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MD
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No TDIs Currently, I have an R36 Corrado. I've had an ALH Corrado swap, AHU Corrado swap and 2003 TDI Jetta
test the injector spray pattern? Clean the intercooler?

Still on the old crappy fuel or is there fresh good diesel in there?
 
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